fane7's game

[ChrisiusMaximus]

Well I have to say that I originally thought Fanes7 couldnt be reloading in the UP thread, but it seems obvious that he is reloading. It is still possible to change the outcome of events with the RNG on but you have to replay several turns and even wait a move. This chap must have an incredible amount of time on his hands to undertake such a tedious task. OTOH he probably has the required time because nobody cares to listen to a word he says in RL, seriously guys I think its time to ignore this fellow. Get this thread locked and let it drift away and try as you might to ignore the future ramblings of this idiot.

Often in life you will find that if all can resist the temptation to bite on a fools hook then the fool will go away!!!

[sabrewolf]

no, you don't have to go several turns back. it's enough if you e.g. change the order of your moves. let's say, you've got an elite, a veteran and a regular.

in the first try, you'll use the elite first and go for the leader. if it doesn't work, try and get a promotion for the veteran, then for the regular, etc.

it's a whole lot of work, but i tried it and it DID work. one round i didn't get any promotion, in another succession of moves i got it in 3 out 4 moves!

i also tried to figure out, what influences the outcome of battles (i don't mean the chances of winning, but attacks where the battle order changes, ceteris paribus).

simple conclusion:
- it is not important from which square you attack for faster-moving units. so E-S or S-E doesn't matter at all. (ofcourse if there's a river between one of the two, it does)

- promotions are dependant on the order

- popping a goody hut before or after a battle changes something too.

- no matter what order you attack when all battles have the same stats, the HP-losses stay. so e.g. if your elite wins a battle but just 1HP left in the end, the veteran would die (because of the 4 HPs he had)

havn't had time to try more... it's just not worth the work to use it in the game.

[fanes7]

Originally posted by vmxa1
Just for the record, I just tried to run this game and at the 3400 or where ever it was the you pop the hut, I got no barbs. It was deserted. This was 1.27F, but I doubt it matters. I had the warriors and worker in the same spots, so it should as been the same?

I always see this :"This has been downloaded 1 time(s)."

so I think nobody download this file but me .

[fanes7]

Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus
Well I have to say that I originally thought Fanes7 couldnt be reloading in the UP thread, but it seems obvious that he is reloading. It is still possible to change the outcome of events with the RNG on but you have to replay several turns and even wait a move. This chap must have an incredible amount of time on his hands to undertake such a tedious task. OTOH he probably has the required time because nobody cares to listen to a word he says in RL, seriously guys I think its time to ignore this fellow. Get this thread locked and let it drift away and try as you might to ignore the future ramblings of this idiot.

Often in life you will find that if all can resist the temptation to bite on a fools hook then the fool will go away!!!

Playing game is a relax thing , so don't be so furious .

I played this savefile breezily . If you want talk about it , pls download Master Zen 's savefile , and do step by step as I post , after this , I 'm pleasure to listen .

[fanes7]

So I don't take that the bet with vmxa1 is a very serious thing . We all just play a game , and the game 's rule is decided by some game-programmer .

So you can see in my post , I just play the game very leisured . And you can see in most turns my worker just roam . You can do better than me if you download MZ 's file and play.

[Konquest02]

OK... It's 8:30 on september 22nd and I officially stopped caring...

--Kon--

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by fanes7



I always see this :"This has been downloaded 1 time(s)."

so I think nobody download this file but me .

I downloaded the one I put up. This was because I am on my backup machine (1.7GH 512MB) right now and do not have the map. I am on 1.27F so I could not use the 1.14 version. This may account for the hut being deserted. This is vey illustrative as it shows that the choreographing is crucial. That means it can only work with reloading.

[Master Zen]

just a reminder to people:

1) fanes7 has not yet produced a leader in his pics
2) no ground-breaking leader generating strategy has been shown, it's either reloading or luck, neither of which qualify as strategy.
3) no one is buying it anymore

I've had fun. Ciao

[vmxa1]

fane7 I don't think there was a bet perse, it was just an opportunity for you to show us how to get leaders guaranted. This was predicated on the presumption that no reloading was being done.

At no time have you said I do not reload. You also do not say that you do reload. This leads me to conclude that you are using reloading. This is not an option for serious players, so we are not taking you seriously.
It does not matter if you are in fact a skilled player, if you are reloading. Yes we all know that one can do as they wish in their own games, but they can not come to public forums and get respect.

As I have said, there is no reason for others to play the game out. They know you have already mapped out the exact moves to get the results. That is why using the load I posted is so telling. It shows that you can not start a game from scratch and get the same results.
The idea of building all warriors and atacking barbs and then an AI will often get you promotions and even leaders. It will not work in all cases, unless you first test all of the permutations. You must first expose the map to see where the AI is and the huts. You then need to trip barbs and win fights. This will not occur in a timely fashion without reloading, flat out.
What this means to me is that you are dishonest, since you refuse to admit this what you are doing and pretend it is being done with no reloads.

[statusperfect]

This thread is lame.

But don't be so hard on him vmxa1

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by statusperfect
But don't be so hard on him vmxa1

What is hard about it? He was given many chances to simply say yes or no and has not done so. At some point one must wonder why? I think the evidence is that he is pretending to not reloading, when he does. That is dishonest, is it not? Not the reloading, itself, but doing it and not admitting it.
I think that is why the save A and save B came in. Once he found out the it was possible to look at a savefile and see it had been reloading, a scheme was required to prevent that. The cat was out of the bag, why not fess up at that point. He would have gotten some positive responses, but no, the charade was continued.
If this is harsh, it was self inflicted, by deception.

[Master Zen]

if anything, we actually did give him a chance to prove his stuff. Other forums would have probably blasted him as a loonie first.

[fanes7]

OK , I see through you , vmxa1 , you just don't dare to try some challenge - a new game idea , that is : the most early attack , the many warriors in early age , and try to peace treat with 2 or 3 AIs in a huge-deity map before 2000BC , and use your gold upgrade early warrior&horseman to maintain strong force , and many new game idea .

I think , if you realy can attempt this , you will find you go up a new level .

The Leader 's appearing is not very hard , not as you say , 1/16 or 1/8 , in a continual battle the unit can easy upgrade , especially the most weakness unit - warrior .

You don't want to try , so I tell you the result :





Before 3150BC , I only have a Veteran , but after 3150BC , I have a Leader , so that is the differ with you and me .

[Theseus]

This is ridiculous.

fanes7, respond to ME. Pick any AU game, and walk me through your play, via posts here, IRC, chat, PMs, email, the damn PHONE, anything.

I will replicate your play, and we'll see how you do.

Deny this challenge, and I will mark you as "ignore", which I have never once done before.

I presume that you will be on this forum for a little while. You have one hour to respond, from 8:40 EDT in New York City.

[Tall Stranger]

Theseus,

I agree with the sentiment, but that's not enough anymore. Now that he knows that he can mask his use of reloads to learn all kinds of things about the map and figure out which path will give him a GL, he can do the same thing with an AU game that he did with the previous game.

My recommendation is that he also be given a strict time limit. He claims to get a GL in the first 18 turns, right? Even in an extremely slow, micromanagement game (which is not required for his war-heavy strategy), it won't take more than 15 minutes to play those 18 turns. It actually shouldn't take more than 10 minutes.

Therefore, my proposal (if this is possible for us to monitor) is to require him to post the precise moves he makes no more than 15 minutes after downloading the file. If he's such a great player, this should be no problem. If he's a reloading cheater (as we all know he is), this will make his job almost impossible.

My question is: can someone at Poly confirm exactly when he completes downloading the file? We can't count on emailing him the file, since he can claim it took a long time to get to him.

Thoughts?