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**fanes7** · September 21, 2003, 20:28

Originally posted by vmxa1
Even if you did go straight and I mite, you will not send then next one the exact same path, you will want to see more of the map.
OPD, I don't think there is all that much in the way of tactics in a straight warrior to warrior combat, other that trying to get def bonus (terrain/fort). Say you get forted in an open tile and they attack, they can still win.

In a huge map , you wouldn't explore , because technology is fast researched , you can soon use MapMaking to trade map with your opponent .

You wouldn't need to find other civs, they will find you . ;-)

If you win in war , you can get map , that's not a matter
.

**fanes7** · September 21, 2003, 20:38

Re: You know what's funny about fanes7's screenshots?

Originally posted by ToeTruck
They almost exactly match what my screens looked like when I *tried* to cheat.

I asked myself: "What would I do if I were to cheat?"

I explored in all directions until I made contact...then I reloaded from 4000BC and beelined towards the contact point. Exactly what fanes7 did.

vmxa1 and MZ are correct. Normally you explore all around or zig-zag along mountains or hills. Not when you cheat.

What's also funny is that I came *this* close to getting a leader. After about a zillion reloads, I had three Elite Warriors surrounded by about 5 Bab Warriors. I figured it would just be a matter of reloading to eventually get a GL.

But, alas...I was not patient enough. I bet fanes7 is reloading as we speak.

Later.

- TT

I am not as stupid as you said, :-)

In a peace world , the AI develop very fast , especially in a deity huge map, but the AI can't deal with the war time very well , so that 's the AI 's weakness-point .

All we do in the game is : alway make AI in turbulence . So that's why we should declare war with some civ at first meet.

**Tassadar500** · September 21, 2003, 20:58

fanes don't play stupid. In Diety the AI get's extra units at the start.

**ToeTruck** · September 21, 2003, 22:21

Originally posted by Nuclear Master
fanes don't play stupid. In Diety the AI get's extra units at the start.

Yes, but the AI doesn't get any combat advantages at Deity. The extra AI units are actually *helpful* because they yield more possibilities to try out when the game is reloaded.

In essense, the "possibility tree" has way more branches under Deity. Therefore, it is more likely that a single branch will generate a GL. A reloader *wants* the AI to have more units.

- TT

**Master Zen** · September 21, 2003, 22:53

Here's the thing, this game has the RNG fixed. You can't just reload and get the results you want. Something else must be triggering the change in RNG that generates leaders so often.

And no offense fanes7, but your strategy seems hardly that which most knowledgable people on Deity would use. You're saying NOT to explore? That's crazy, the AI trades techs so quickly that you are best to find one or two AI's which still lack a tech you do have and so you can trade it before they can trade them between themselves.

And if you wait researching until Map Making in Deity, the AI will by that time probably have Feudalism.

**fanes7** · September 22, 2003, 00:01

Originally posted by Master Zen

And no offense fanes7, but your strategy seems hardly that which most knowledgable people on Deity would use. You're saying NOT to explore? That's crazy, the AI trades techs so quickly that you are best to find one or two AI's which still lack a tech you do have and so you can trade it before they can trade them between themselves.

And if you wait researching until Map Making in Deity, the AI will by that time probably have Feudalism.

R U kidding ? I never research any tech before I build University in my some most big cities.

All thing I want (Tech, Map, Worker, Gold, City ...) is from peace treat .

At beginning of the game , I found my settle is at the SouthEast corner of the bigmap , so Going West is the only way I can find other civs.

I see still only me download your savefile, So I 'm very disappointed or even despairing.

Make sure you download Master Zen 's Savefile and do step by step as I post before , after this , you can post at here , ok ? Please , please, please ...

**fanes7** · September 22, 2003, 00:11

Originally posted by Nuclear Master
fanes don't play stupid. In Diety the AI get's extra units at the start.

That is the point .

There is a time distinction , maybe I can say as that.

Often you declare war at AI 's field, and AI 's field is far away your own field.

So , when AI 's units come to your field after 10 or more turns, you can have the preponderant unit because you still build units.

And in new version, the AI unit will hardly attack a full HitPoint elite . So you can use full HP elite postpone the AI arrive .

**vmxa1** · September 22, 2003, 00:15

Re: You know what's funny about fanes7's screenshots?

Originally posted by ToeTruck
What's also funny is that I came *this* close to getting a leader. After about a zillion reloads, I had three Elite Warriors surrounded by about 5 Bab Warriors. I figured it would just be a matter of reloading to eventually get a GL.

But, alas...I was not patient enough. I bet fanes7 is reloading as we speak.

Later.

- TT

I am not sure if I read this correctly, but you cannot get a leader form barbs. He is using them to get vets and elites.

**vmxa1** · September 22, 2003, 00:19

Originally posted by fanes7

In a huge map , you wouldn't explore , because technology is fast researched , you can soon use MapMaking to trade map with your opponent .

You wouldn't need to find other civs, they will find you . ;-)

If you win in war , you can get map , that's not a matter
.

I do not even follow this part. Your get a reduction in research cost by knowing other civs that have learned a given tech. This and trading are reasons to make contact even in a huge map. You may also wish to have an idea of the land for expansion. You may or may not wish to trade maps. I may want theirs, but not them to have mine.

**fanes7** · September 22, 2003, 00:19

And another thing I want to clarify ,

I didn't play MasterZen 's savefile seriously , all I want is create a GL before 3150BC , so I didn't do much exploring thing. This thread is because I bet on 3150BC 's GL with vmxa1 .

I sincerely invite vmxa1 download MasterZen 's savefile and do step by step as I post before . And tell a word here if I create a GL before 3150BC ?

**vmxa1** · September 22, 2003, 00:33

Originally posted by fanes7
R U kidding ? I never research any tech before I build University in my some most big cities.

All thing I want (Tech, Map, Worker, Gold, City ...) is from peace treat .

At beginning of the game , I found my settle is at the SouthEast corner of the bigmap , so Going West is the only way I can find other civs.

I see still only me download your savefile, So I 'm very disappointed or even despairing.

Make sure you download Master Zen 's Savefile and do step by step as I post before , after this , you can post at here , ok ? Please , please, please ...

I am not having a problem with the idea of going west. I am having a problem with it being a beeline and all the others going the same path.This suggest the map was played to see where to go and then reloaded to make a straight line on the next run through.
If you are going to use a very specialized style, then not researching is possible, but waiting until after getting tech to build universities is unusal.
The reason people are not down loading the file is it fairly plain to see that it is reloading for a strategy.
Why should we bother? I have no doubt some leaders could be made with this technique, but I am not going to sit around reloading.
I just do not see why you persist in acting as if you are not, is just for the attention? Surely you can see that no one is going for it.

**vmxa1** · September 22, 2003, 00:45

Originally posted by fanes7
Often you declare war at AI 's field, and AI 's field is far away your own field.

So , when AI 's units come to your field after 10 or more turns, you can have the preponderant unit because you still build units.

And in new version, the AI unit will hardly attack a full HitPoint elite . So you can use full HP elite postpone the AI arrive .

The thing is we can not just declare a war on any AI as soon as we met it at Deity. We could lose and be eliminated. Yes we may be able to take advantage of the AI lack of planning attacks, but we may get overrun.
This because we will not be reloading the game to get it right, so we have to be a bit more circumspect. A civ with 12 extra troops to start and an extra settler, is not to be taking lightly if you can not just reload.
If you think not play AU208 at just emperor and stick to its rules. No peace ever and no reloads, lets see how you fare then.

**Theseus** · September 22, 2003, 00:52

In words,
I hear echoes of Sun Tzu.
In echoes of action,
I hear false spring.

**Master Zen** · September 22, 2003, 01:04

/me just remembers he hasn't finished AU208...

**vmxa1** · September 22, 2003, 01:32

Just for the record, I just tried to run this game and at the 3400 or where ever it was the you pop the hut, I got no barbs. It was deserted. This was 1.27F, but I doubt it matters. I had the warriors and worker in the same spots, so it should as been the same?

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