Ultimate Power: a more pragmatic approach

[fanes7]

hehe, arabia, is that seem as the gotm23 ?

You should know that :

The loading and recuring is not cheating.

and the reloading and can't recuring is cheating.


In a game that RNG is saved , we are all fair, and all we do are find a correct route . Thank you , have a nice day !

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by fanes7
pls give me a savefile in the reply of this thread , ok ?

Again, my PC is very slow (cpu: 433, memory 96), so 40-50 turns means 5 or 6 hours. Now I am working, so tomorrow I give you a route , is this ok ?

Here you go:

[fanes7]

pls give me a savefile in the reply of this thread , ok ?

Again, my PC is very slow (cpu: 433, memory 96), so 40-50 turns means 5 or 6 hours. Now I am working, so tomorrow I give you a route , is this ok ?

[vmxa1]

No need, we no where to find GOTM. Anyway you have month to play GOTM and it should not take an hour to get 40-50 turns in AUSG1.
Whats 3150 about 10 turns, not going to take very long, just minutes.
Anyway one can not play GOTM savefiles after around GOTM15 without the mods and I don't have them or want them. We can how ever read DAR/AAR and see screen shots.

[fanes7]

Haha , Maybe I should thank your vmxa1. Giving you a route to success is my pleasure , I will tell you every move , and all you do are just doing as I said and proofing my correct route.

But now I was playing Gotm23, and maybe I need a more week to finish it . I don't know if I can upload my Gotm23 savefile at this site, or , hehe, maybe I just tell you how to do ?

[vmxa1]

fanes7 so far all we have is your posted boast, nothing more.
You want saves, go to the AUSG101 and download it. There are several DAR's and more will be coming.
So here is your chance to set us straight, otherwise you are not going to sway anyone.
You can post your step by step with a few saves right in this thread and shut us all up. If not maybe you should understand it will be precieved as an admission that you can not do what you claim. I said before, if you make big claims, the burden of proof is on you, not us.
Frankly I would love to see it, but will not hold my breath.

[fanes7]

Haha, I saw all of your reply, but it seems no one of you can proof I was cheating, all that you talk are lucky , lucky and more luck . If you are more lucky , then you can complete this.

All that I do in the game can be recured at any time. If you want repeat my progress , you can start a savefile at 4000BC, and I will tell you every move , tell you how you can get a GL at 3150BC or more early. So all that I do are legitimate and logistic , because, if you do as I say you will get GL more early and more much. In the recured game you never need save and load , because I already find a path to get the GL , it is like a accurate route in thousands of path , all we do are find that route which lead to success .

The history can't be change, and that is why we play game, we want Columbus find America more early, we also want French can first mount to the Moon and even we want US can be win in Korean War, so that's why we want to play this game and that's why we love this game so much .

All of us want to load the history at 4000BC or other time-point and replay the history , So all we do in the game is find a right path for history , what is the most efficient , most peaceful , most civilized and most glorious route for the thousands of history path, we must choose , not the damnable and idiotic president or premier . History , past and future, is mine .

[Arrian]

what can I say to that thought process?

Sputter incoherently and walk away in disgust. But that's me...

-Arrian

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Arrian
It actually sounded to me like he was saying that he didn't reload (in the sense he's being accused of), but rather saved the game to stop playing for a bit, and loaded it when he was ready to play again, like we all do.

I still don't believe the results he claims, but I think there may be something of a communication problem here.

-Arrian

Here is what he said:

"If the game don't want player save and load frequently , the game designer can limited the game only can be saved in some fixed time point . For example , you can only save your file at 3000BC , 1750BC, 1200BC and so on, or just as Diablo , you save & quit . If the game have not such rule like this , everyone can save and load at anytime he want.

BtW, I played CIV and all other games for a long time , I am more familiar about many games and many games' rule than you , I am more authoritative than you to judge a man a cheater."

Ignoring the boasting, he says that the game allows frequent save and loads. Yup, it sure does, but it is not meant to be abused. I love DiabloII and have no problem with the save system.
So it seems to me that that is as clear as a signal as you are likely o get that it is a reload fest. Like I have said, I have talked to people that have literally told me they see no problem with reloading 100 times in MM to get a scroll or any item they need. what can I say to that thought process?
Believe me, I know I am not the end all civ player, but I am pretty well up on it. I know MM and Homm and MOO about 10 times better than civ.

[Tall Stranger]

There may be a communication problem, but facts are stubborn things, and there is simply no honest way to accomplish the feats he claims. As Sir Ralph rightly points out, GL generation is NOT a measure of skill. Period. And Sir Ralph, I'm (quite literally) not going to touch your, er, interesting analogy!

vmxa1, you've been far kinder to this guy than he deserves. In fact, the entire forum has been more than patient with this guy, but deep down everyone knows the truth: he's a cheat.

fanes7, I'd call myself an above-average player. You may very well be a better player than I, but we'll never know, because I'll never play you and I'll never believe any claim you make in this forum about your ability. I've been an active participant in other, similar game sites/ newsgroups, and I've seen a lot of people like you who make outlandish claims about their skill. Most of them, like you, cheat. What I've learned is that the really good players are the ones who 1) let their verifyable accomplishments do the talking; 2) give support to less-skilled players in the form of logical, useful advice; and 3) conduct themselves in a respectable manner. You don't meet these criteria. The worst part is, I can't think of a less-satisfying way of playing the game than having absolutely no doubt about the outcome. Can you imagine how long his games must take, with all that reloading?

I think it's safe to say the value of this conversation is rapidly approaching zero.

[Sarcasm on]

BTW, have I told everyone about my incredible skill at this game? I can win every single battle without ever losing a single hit point. See all you have to do is....

[Arrian]

It actually sounded to me like he was saying that he didn't reload (in the sense he's being accused of), but rather saved the game to stop playing for a bit, and loaded it when he was ready to play again, like we all do.

I still don't believe the results he claims, but I think there may be something of a communication problem here.

-Arrian

[vmxa1]

To tell you the truth, I am not even sure you could get the leaders on demand with reloads. If you could it must take massive attempts and I just have a hard time with the idea that an adult would be willing to do that in each game. I can see it now a reg warrior need maybe 16 tries to get promo to vet. It needs another 12 or more to make elite and then maybe 16 more to make a leader.
Now that sounds like fun. What if it needs more than 16 tries? I mean what if you also lose the battle, now how loads are required?

[Dominae]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
One can either brag or reload, but not both.

I think that's why everyone is taken aback here: fanes7 is bragging about reloading...


Dominae

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Who thinks he has to increase the odds by reloading till he gets good RNG results, should do so (that's something similar to masturbation, though) and keep quiet.

I wonder who brags about that in RL though...

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Arrian
Which is the reason I don't bother to count once blitz units come around. Panzers & MA are just ridiculously good at leader generation.

Yes, they are. I remember my latest Russian game, where I had the "1-ya Gvardii Tankovaya Armiya", an army with four elite* Modern Armors in it. Nothing could stop Uncle Joe (I had to replace Cathy).

On the topic of the discussion: I wonder why it's still active. The odds of winning battles, promoting units or generating leaders aren't dependent neither on the difficulty level, nor on some special skills, but are based on sole luck. Who thinks he has to increase the odds by reloading till he gets good RNG results, should do so (that's something similar to masturbation, though) and keep quiet. One can either brag or reload, but not both.