Spite and Malice....

[Harovan]

Thanks Panzer and Ghengis! May be there's still hope out there. By the way, I may be insulted and weary of the game, but I wouldn't bother a mod with that stuff, that's far below my level.

Hot_Enamel: You're missing the point. Even if we were being picked on and everyone had sworn vendetta against us (which I'm sure is not the case), it wouldn't drive me away, because that's part of the game. But being attacked and constantly called a bunch of arrogant and dishonorable *******s (insert other words in the same sense, if you like) is a little too much.

[Arnelos]

Look, I like being honest about these things.

For the record, the campaign to prevent Trip from becoming a Consul had backing from far more than GoW people. I will even admit that I was partially involved in that by being the one who got Ninot to run for Consul when I dropped out (and Ninot is definately no fan of Trip). I remember who the ring-leaders of that were because some of them were the ones trying to get me to run for Consul. There were members of multiple teams on that, not just GoW. I think the difference on that piece of ISDG history was that while many who didn't want Trip to be a Consul thought he'd make a fabulous Minister of War, some of the GoW camp believed he couldn't even be trusted with that.

I think most of us who had not voted for Trip to be Consul actually voted in favor of Trip to be the Minister of War, a position for which we agreed he was ideally suited. Looking back, I think things turned out rather well. Trip has done an admirable job being the military advisor. Trip doesn't always get along with the Consuls, but that's part of his job.

Quite frankly, I'm actually rather impressed with Trip's performance as an advisor from what I've seen in the ISDG so far (granted that I was gone for several months). He knows his stuff and that fact became far more apparent to people after the memory of Lux getting trashed in the PTWDG receeded into the past and Trip's knowledge of Civ3 was made apparent in the ISDG internal forum.

[Aggie]

I wasn't a member of the ISDG then, but it sounds like the old DIA vs WarMonger dispute from what I recall of the old game. We all remember the famous election between those two. I'll be the first to say that Lux's defeat wasn't trips fault. They simply were in a unwinnable postion unless they had had the best luck in the world. Even then it would have been difficult. With 3 civ's that close 1 must go. For the record it was Trips planning and organization that lead to the great recovery from a poor start in the fist Civ3 demogame. Remember that victory was no way assured from our start, actually it was start many peple would have thrown out and restarted.
Aggie

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Aggie
but it sounds like the old DIA vs WarMonger dispute from what I recall of the old game.
Aggie

I think that also had a lot to do with the Roleplay/GoW issue. Some of the hostility has continued from DIA/Hawk to Roleplay/GoW.

[UnOrthOdOx]

This old Hawk can say without any presumptions that the fact that there was a certain concentration of DIA members on RP it most certainly did play into his voting. At least as much as the Togas incident early in the game.

So, yes, I am guilty of targeting RP slightly more than other teams before the game started simply due to their members, though I would have laid that aside until the incident that happened IN this game. Beyond that I admit to deriving a little pleasure from being at war with the DIA members of RP.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I didn't have anything against the DIA, but I had issues with Sunshine so that definitely tainted my mood towards them.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Aggie
For the record it was Trips planning and organization that lead to the great recovery from a poor start in the fist Civ3 demogame. Remember that victory was no way assured from our start, actually it was start many peple would have thrown out and restarted.

That was not or at least not only Trips planning. It mainly was notyoueithers Case Pink/Case Teal archer rush plans, that got us out of the jungle. After a poor 8-tile-grassland-all-else-jungle start and Timelines horrible waste of a godsent free settler to build a jungle city () the game was seriously in danger.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


That was not or at least not only Trips planning. It mainly was notyoueithers Case Pink/Case Teal archer rush plans, that got us out of the jungle. After a poor 8-tile-grassland-all-else-jungle start and Timelines horrible waste of a godsent free settler to build a jungle city () the game was seriously in danger.

Hey Hey!

I'm starting to get emotionally damaged from the anger radiating off Sir Ralph here.

Ohhhhh, the agony...............

[UnOrthOdOx]

Yes, Case Pink/Teal was the savior.

As for the Jungle city...was that polled on or did Timeline just plop it down in a chat? Can't remember. If it was polled, though, it was not his fault.

Where is Timeline, anyway? There's an old DIA president I wish was also on RP....

[Harovan]

He plopped it down in a chat. If it was polled, it can have been only a "minipoll" during the chat.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
This old Hawk can say without any presumptions that the fact that there was a certain concentration of DIA members on RP it most certainly did play into his voting. At least as much as the Togas incident early in the game.

So, yes, I am guilty of targeting RP slightly more than other teams before the game started simply due to their members, though I would have laid that aside until the incident that happened IN this game. Beyond that I admit to deriving a little pleasure from being at war with the DIA members of RP.

Um... Togas was never a member of the DIA, but a good HALF of the members of Legoland were - this just doesn't make any sense

We did get a few DIA members in RP, but almost all of them are inactive (reminds me of the DIA, actually...).

[UnOrthOdOx]

*Sigh*

I know for a fact that many of the members on Legoland were those who wished to form a more PERFECT DIA. A TRUE builder's team. Not one that spouts lies and propoganda while doing the opposite such as the DIA.

No, Togas was never DIA, neither was WIA nor several other members of RP I can name. DIA leaders sure congregated to RP (yourself and Thud of mention here, Ninot to a lesser extent), though, while those who were not entirely happy with some of those leaders decisions (civman of special note here) congregated to Legoland.

And who said I have to make sense?

I would think by now everyone knows I make little sense most of the time.

[Aggie]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


That was not or at least not only Trips planning. It mainly was notyoueithers Case Pink/Case Teal archer rush plans, that got us out of the jungle. After a poor 8-tile-grassland-all-else-jungle start and Timelines horrible waste of a godsent free settler to build a jungle city () the game was seriously in danger.

I realize that Sir Ralph, I couldn't recall the details of who did what and when. Since I was too lazy to look back and felt Trip deserved a good word put in for him I used that in his favor(i figured being pres that term was worth something). But nye's plan was the key I admit. I just wanted people to know that Trip had shown good civ ability before and the Lux defeat wasn't indicative of his skill. But I did bring back the old DIA/Hawks fight so I must have hit a nerve somewhere. Also your War Academy and all the idea's their played a key part too in the sucess of the game.
Aggie

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Arnelos
We did get a few DIA members in RP, but almost all of them are inactive (reminds me of the DIA, actually...).

Which, in my mind is the true spirit of the DIA. They claim to be one thing but do the exact opposite. The party of Hypocrisy.

To me, Roleplay just went on with the DIA's warbanner and continued with the same mindset. Legoland, on the other hand stayed true to their central goal and building philosophy and never deviated from it (to my knowledge).

[vondrack]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Legoland, on the other hand stayed true to their central goal and building philosophy and never deviated from it (to my knowledge).

It is only fair to note, though, that Legoland had a starting location ALLOWING (rather, FORCING, actually) to stick to the builder's theme.