Petition: For the Sake of Fun

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by BigFree
RP never treated another team as if they were the AI.

Never.

Besides every civ player knows that, when dealing with the AI, it is the AI which is ALWAYS disrespectful first.

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by Master Zen
Nathan, I still don't see the difference between the Voxian situation and ours. You argue that any iron deal would have been at the expense of GS's soldiers dying, yet that is no different from our advance being stalled which would have led RP to concentrate against ND, which would have led to not only ND troops dying, but then furthermore to GoW troops dying once we went around your cultural borders into action.

In other words, your troops' deaths would have been an incidental by-product of our helping our ally fight against Neu Demogyptica, which had made itself our enemy by demanding a right to expand without our being allowed to expand similarly. And even that much would have happened only if you chose to press on with your attack plans knowing that ND's ability to help you would be far more limited than you had originally envisioned.

Second of all that NAP was to us a "let's split Bob with ND and not get backstabbed by GS" deal.

Then why did you not tell us that the deal included a provision that we would be expected to allow you to split Bob with ND without our being allowed to get a share of the land for ourselves? We would never have signed such a deal, and you would have avoided this mess. As I said, you were trying to use a NAP as something far more than just a NAP.

What other legitimate uses did the NAP have other than that?

Its legitimate purpose was to allow both GS and GoW to expand our holdings, on an equal basis, without fear of being stabbed in the back by the other. But your clear opposition to our taking and keeping land on Bob pretty much threw the idea that you regarded the agreement as (gasp) symmetric out the window. Our setting up the one-and-a-half vs. one-and-a-half war we did in our alliance with RP was the best way we could come up with to restore that symmetry.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Shiber
Sigh...

It's ok, Shiber. Some people are just hopeless. I hate to say it, but you're honestly just better off to give up now.

[nbarclay]

By the way, I could make a similar argument that if RP had been forced to divert troops to defend against you, it would have undermined their ability to fight against ND, resulting in more GS deaths in our war against ND. Right? So given a choice between doing what was best for the lives of our own troops and doing what was best for the lives of your troops, we chose to give our own troops the higher priority. It wasn't a matter of hostility toward you; merely a result of pragmatism during wartime.

[Aeson]

Honor is something that only matters to the person who has it (or thinks they do), as it realistically can only be judged by the individual themselves. Everyone else is relying on 2nd or 3rd hand information, and can only guess at things such as motive, intent, and what 'honor' means to the individual in the first place.

I've always cringed when the subject of GS honor is brought up. I agree it shouldn't even be mentioned, but it still reflects on me. That doesn't dispel the fact that saying GS has no honor is a derogatory remark, not just about those who bring up honor, but directed at the whole team.

These finger pointing threads are a good analogy to the honor issue, only it reflects on all of us here at Poly. Regardless of which team the person pointing the fingers or sticking out their chest is on, or the "it's just a game, so when I insult you or your team it's all good" type qualifiers used, they only serve to help lower the Civ III community down to the level of those expected for first person shooters.

That's my opinion on these threads. I say raze them.

[Arnelos]

Aeson,

Very well put

[Master Zen]

@ Shiber

The only people it seems we've irritated apparently have been GS and RP members which I hardly find surprising since the accussations have been against them. However, how all this trash-talking is affecting some of you makes me think that perhaps there is some truth in it all, hence why it actually makes it more disturbing...

Anyway, the trash-talking hasn't been one-sided mind you, but I don't care, trash-talking isn't trash-talking unless there are trash replies to your trashy posts.

Now, since some of US have signed the disclaimer don't you think we're simply doing it in the sake of fun and not with real intentions to hurt people? Like I said, I have nothing against GSers, but I have every right to trash an supposedly superior honor code which to me is totally worthless.



@ Aeson

Sometimes even those playing the most complex, serious and mature strategy games feel the need to act like if we were playing Quake instead, like OPD said, it's the passion in these threads which makes it much more exciting don't you think?

[notyoueither]

It's OK MZ, we wouldn't expect you or most of the Glory of War to understand the first thing about honour, so how could you accurately judge it?

We should not be offended by a blind man describing the colour of our uniforms.

[Aeson]

You can be passionate without being insulting, slinging mud, ect.

[Shiber]

Once again, to that Aeson.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by notyoueither
It's OK MZ, we wouldn't expect you or most of the Glory of War to understand the first thing about honour, so how could you accurately judge it?

We should not be offended by a blind man describing the coulour of our uniforms.

see? these are words of the wise

take it easy people, I haven't insulted anyone, my flame targets were GS as a team, not as individuals and this is like the 3rd time I say it...

Shiber: you just flamed retarded people...

[Shiber]

Only flamers would see that as a flame

[Aeson]

That's the whole point MZ. You are flaming everyone on GS regarding things said by individuals on GS. It's not better than making individual remarks, it's worse.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Master Zen
take it easy people, I haven't insulted anyone, my flame targets were GS as a team, not as individuals and this is like the 3rd time I say it...

Even if you say it 3 times more, the insults still stand.

[Panzer32]

MZ don't even try to talk about diplomacy stuff here... its not wanted by many people.

Use your thread



(just a word of advice)