Idea this: Guerillas AND Mercenaries

[problem_child]

I'm still waiting for PTW, but when I get it I'm eager to try this idea out,

Guerillas:
Stealth, as powerful as riflemen, and half as cheap as infantry, can move 3 squares.

Mercanaries:
Almost dentical to Guerillas, except can only move 1 square per turn (like infantry) are Visible, but would carry no flag- AND are transferrable (like Workers) and one more thing- slightly MORE expensive then Infantry.

This would to ensure nobody tries to fight a war using an army of mercs, but can engage in the ol' USA/Contra type campaigns (dirty wars) as well as create mercs to send to allies (abit like the USA/Mujahadeen type situation). Of course, if you did that- just like USA/Mujahadeen, be careful those same mercs don't end up fighting Against you at some point.

Anyway, yooz thoughts?

[problem_child]

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[Baggio]

Transferrable like workers? How would it work.....wouldnt they be captured the instant they were attacked?

I like the idea though....but instead of manufacturing it..perhaps some random event window will pop up and inform you that they are available for hire and how many units and for how much gold.

Then you can choose to place them whereever you want in a city that has a marketplace or something....cool.

They could be privateer style and you can use them to attack enemy units and they wouldnt know who employed them. Kinda like giving your opponents a permanent(expensive) barbarian problem thru the ages.

[Usually Insane]

anyone played macchiavelli/mercvhant prince

you could hire mercenaries and have them fight for you, of course there are differences but there was a nice idea

[zulu9812]

Re: Idea this: Guerillas AND Mercenaries

Originally posted by problem_child
Guerillas:
Stealth, as powerful as riflemen, and half as cheap as infantry, can move 3 squares.

You sure you want the Stealth ability for a land unit? All that does is reduce the chance of aircraft being intercepted. Do you mean Invisible? If you do, I've tried using invisible combat units and they're too powerful. How about an invisible, non-combat, pillaging unit (still w/move 3)? That way, they're an effective anoyance, but not a conquering force.

Originally posted by problem_child
Mercanaries:
Almost dentical to Guerillas, except can only move 1 square per turn (like infantry) are Visible, but would carry no flag- AND are transferrable (like Workers) and one more thing- slightly MORE expensive then Infantry.

When you say 'carry no flag', are you talking about the AI strategy boxes? If at least one of those isn't ticked, the AI either won't build them or won't use them properly. And what do you mean by 'transferable like workers'?

[Palaiologos]

And why shouldn't one fight an only-merc war?

They are expendable, unlike the citizen soldiers.
Carthage did so.

[Caliban]

Originally posted by Baggio
Transferrable like workers? How would it work.....wouldnt they be captured the instant they were attacked?

I think problem_child means that they can be traded on the diplomacy screen...

[Billster2k3]

Originally posted by Caliban


I think problem_child means that they can be traded on the diplomacy screen...

I think that's exactly what he means and I kinda like it. Especially if, like most trades, it is time-delimited (i.e., 20 turns then you get them back). That makes it more like "lending" them to another civ' ala the Foreign Legion (fight for the highest bidder unless France needs them). Hmmm...maybe an interesting alternate French UU to replace the sorry musketeer?

[Billster2k3]

Re: Re: Idea this: Guerillas AND Mercenaries

Originally posted by zulu9812


How about an invisible, non-combat, pillaging unit (still w/move 3)? That way, they're an effective anoyance, but not a conquering force.

Other than the invisibility we already have this unit. It's called Explorer.

[Caliban]

I once thought about giving the guerilla an ADM stat of 0.6.1 and the abilities "treat all terrain as roads" and "hidden nationality". That way, you wouldn't be able to conquer cities or capture workers/settlers, but could use them effectively as an annoying/pillaging force.

I think this would resemble real-world guerilla wars like in Kashmir...

[Panag]

hi ,

play around with the editor , you shall get some very amazing units , ......

and its very funny to see how the AI uses them sometimes

have a nice day

[zulu9812]

Re: Re: Re: Idea this: Guerillas AND Mercenaries

Originally posted by Billster2k3
Other than the invisibility we already have this unit. It's called Explorer.

Originally posted by Billster2k3
Other than the invisibility

Originally posted by Billster2k3
Other than the invisibility

besides, i think explorers shouldn't be able to pillage anyway.

[Switch]

Re: Re: Idea this: Guerillas AND Mercenaries

Originally posted by zulu9812
When you say 'carry no flag', are you talking about the AI strategy boxes? If at least one of those isn't ticked, the AI either won't build them or won't use them properly. And what do you mean by 'transferable like workers'?

I think he means the "hidden nationality" unit ability. Kind of like a Privateer.

[Billster2k3]

okay okay okay, zulu, I understand your point. I just think if we're gonna lobby for a cool new unit it ought to bring something to the table other than just adding one ability to an existing unit. So maybe an explorer with invisibility AND he bakes a mean lasagne?

[zulu9812]

actually, I'm partial to a spot of bolognase