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  • #76
    Originally posted by Coracle
    2. Cities have populations with "nationaliities" millennia BEFORE there was such a thing as nationalities or national "culture" (as Galvatron brilliantly discovered). Culture/nationalities is really most valid only by the time we get to the Industrial period.
    Maybe you can tell us then what were the crusaides for? Because as far as I know religion is an essential part of a nation's cultural identity. But I suppose Galvatron hasn't discovered it for you, yet, right?
    IMO you are confusing "nationality" with "nationalism".
    nationality: people having a common origin, tradition, language, religion, etc
    nationalism: Devotion to the interests of one's nation; the belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals; the desire to achieve political independence for your nation.


    "Razing", a cousin of CF, is yet another unrealistic example that promotes mass killing and "war war war".
    That is what Firaxis and Civ 3 DOES, not what I want. I didn't see anyone ask for Civ 3 razing in which a single damaged unit can make a city of millions vanish leaving not even a pollution tile.
    You've posted not once that you want (and I quote you)
    I have also asked many times for a situation where cities or towns SURRENDER (or have a chance to) upon the approach of a huge already victorious invading force.
    supporting this idea with the tactics of mongols, who indeed realized such things. What you don't know or ignore, is why were entire towns surrendering to the mongols? What do you think, because they were so charming, or what? Because if they didn't your beloved Genghis Kahn and his warriorsburned down the entire city, razing the building and massacring mercilessly all men, women, and children, that's why. If they were surrendering and cooperating, the mongol rule was surprinsingly benevolent; etc etc.

    Check it for yourself, if you don't believe me.

    Don't come here with arrogant phrases like
    To those who know nothing and care nothing about history and reality ...
    if you know nothing about history.

    Edit:
    -adding definitions for nationality, nationalism
    Last edited by Tiberius; August 25, 2002, 04:11.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Coracle
      Firaxis ALSO promotes "war war war" by its absurdly low strategic resource rates which force civs into wars with each other for that iron or coal tile, even though those resources were never that rare.
      It is amazing how you come here every time to show us your ignorance. Otherwise you should be aware that among the most important causes of wars in history (the competition for power, population pressure, militant religion, nationalism, etc) one important role is played by the competition for resources.

      BTW: I never start a war for resources (though that might be a mistake). I always trade for them and I almost always win. But you still have no idea how to play civ3, don't you?
      "The only way to avoid being miserable is not to have enough leisure to wonder whether you are happy or not. "
      --George Bernard Shaw
      A fast word about oral contraception. I asked a girl to go to bed with me and she said "no".
      --Woody Allen

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Tiberius
        Otherwise you should be aware that among the most important causes of wars in history (the competition for power, population pressure, militant religion, nationalism, etc) one important role is played by the competition for resources.
        The MOSt important reason for war is ENVY.

        And CivIII perfectly simulates this:

        You think: The enemy has nice wonders/large cities/strategic islands/technologies/resources!

        You think: THESE SHOULD BE MINE!

        P.S.: Don't call me a militarist, I am just a good observer...

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