Medieval Infantry

[NeoStar]

Because what the hell can he upgrade to?

[ixnay]

I made the swordsman upgrade to Marines, which worked fairly well.

[joespaniel]

You have to make an offensive unit upgrade to another offensive unit.

Like Ixnay said: Swordsman to Marine. Works for me too.

I would like to see something in-between like everybody else.
A man-at-arms or longswordsman would be nice. Just something different.

[NeoStar]

Originally posted by ixnay37
I made the swordsman upgrade to Marines, which worked fairly well.

Sword->M16
Armoured tin hat bloke->amphibious attacker

That doesn't make sense!

Still, its way better than what I did. The AI piles up a heap of swordman and the marine is an attacker but not a great one like a tank. I allowed upgrading them to cavalry and that seroiusly backfired... Returned to default after that.

Not an issue now - this new unit seems to be true. The all round footsoldier will make battles in the middle ages a whole lot more 'medieval'

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by NeoStar
Because what the hell can he upgrade to?

I just have them upgrade to Musketman/Musketeers. Historically that's what happened, the infamous Musketeers used both swords and gunpowder.

[Optimizer]

My solution is to have an infantry unit called a Fusilier, appering with Military Tradition.

In the end of the 17th century, flintlocks, lead bullets, cartridges and bayonets made the musket the first all-round infantry weapon. Soldiers carrying such muskets, mostly called "fusiliers" replaced the earlier infantry units.

Units

Offensive unit with defensive bombardment
Archer - Longbowman - Musketeer - Fusilier

Offensive
Warrior - Swordsman - Man-at-Arms - Fusilier

Defensive
Spearman - Pikeman - Fusilier

The Fusilier then upgrades into the Rifleman.

[Dimorier Maximus]

Where did you get the art for the Fusilier, and is it good quality art that looks like it belongs in the game?

[Optimizer]

I haven't got any separate art yet. One could use the French Musketeer, if the French get a better unit.

I thought of giving the French Foreign Legionnaires (sp?).

[Level]

There is a German Fusilier at civfanatics.

[Optimizer]

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[Optimizer]

Any news?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Maybe call them Macemen.
I think the problem that firaxis has encountered is that it has not allowed enough spacing between unit strenghts. If the Med Inf is 5/2/1, then why build a night? If its 4/2/1 then why build Med Inf (unless you dont have horses)
Modern Armor is only 24 times stronger then a warrior. If there had been a steeper curve for unit strengths, then you would be able to 'fit' more units in between.
Ex. warrior 1.1.1
Horsemen 3.1.2
Swordsmen 3.2.1
Archer 2.1.1
Knight 5.4.2
Longbowmen 5.1.1
Medieval Infantry 6.3.1
Pikemen 1.5.1
Musketmen 3.6.1
Cavalry 10.5.3
Riflemen 8.10.1
Infantry 14.18.1
Paratrooper 16.22.1
Marines 22.16.1
Tank 26.20.2
Mech Inf 18 30 2
Modern Armor 36.26.3

[Optimizer]

That's right - in Civ 1 the generation gaps between units were great. In Civ 2 they solved it by using hit points. Civ 3 lacks decisive strength gaps between units.

Anyway, would the Medieval Infantry do any good? It seems to be just a little better than Swordsmen.

[Ijuin]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
Maybe call them Macemen.
I think the problem that firaxis has encountered is that it has not allowed enough spacing between unit strenghts. If the Med Inf is 5/2/1, then why build a night? If its 4/2/1 then why build Med Inf (unless you dont have horses)

Not really. If Med Inf. has 5/2/1 vs. Knights at 4/3/2, then the Knights still have the advantage of more mobility (retreat plus faster movement) and higher defense. Actually, a 5/2/1 would be quite well balanced against a 4/3/2 unit--do you go for the extra bit of attack power, or the extra mobility and defense?

[SABRA]

There is room for a couple more infantry units in the different era's .

It would be intresting to see a second UU also , this way the Franch could keep their Musketeers and get the Foreign Legion also .