More XP speculation fun! Predict the Civ leaders!

[monkspider]

Give me Saladin any day Boris.
Also, there is no way they will pick Dido over Hannibal. That would be like picking Joan of Arc over Napoleon...oh wait a minute...

[Miznia]

I say Isabella for Spanish, especially if she can be depicted as hot.
I'd prefer Suleiman to Ataturk for the Turks, just because of the timeframe... Ataturk is too modern...
I think the Korean leader should be female. A website on one queen Sondok; admittedly I don't know anything myself, but this site makes the notion palatable:

http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/heroine7.html

I will spit if there is no Korea

Mali leader (if they're used) should be Sundiata Keita or Mansa Musa. My Shaka is presently renamed Sundjata.

(quoted)
   The historical founder of Mali was the magician, Sundjata, one of the most legendary figures in African history. Sundjata, who ruled Mali from 1230-1255, began as a royal slave and magician among the Soso who had inherited the Ghanaian empire. According to African oral histories, Sundjata seized the major territories through which gold was traded and so built the foundation off of which Mali would be built. He also introduced into the region the cultivation and weaving of cotton.
   The most significant of the Mali kings was Mansa Musa (1312-1337) who expanded Mali influence over the large Niger city-states of Timbuctu, Gao, and Djenné. Mansa Musa was a devout Muslim who built magnificent mosques all throughout the Mali sphere of influence; his gold-laden pilgrimage to Mecca made him an historical figure even in European history writing.
   It was under Mansa Musa that Timbuctu became one of the major cultural centers not only of Africa but of the entire world. Under Mansa Musa's patronage, vast libraries were built and madrasas (Islamic universities) were endowed; Timbuctu became a meeting-place of the finest poets, scholars, and artists of Africa and the Middle East. Even after the power of Mali declined, Timbuctu remained the major Islamic center of sub-Saharan Africa.

Miznia

[Dom Pedro II]

Charles V could certainly be argued as a great leader of Spain, but the trouble is that he was the leader of Spain, the Netherlands, parts of Italy, the colonies, the Holy Roman Empire, etc... He's not really as much of a Spanish leader as he is a Hapsburg leader.

And when I meant that when you think of France you think of Joan of Arc, I didn't necessarily mean as a leader but just as a French figure. She's a folk hero really. But a very famous folk hero.

[Boris Godunov]

Yes, but Charles V was the King of Spain and the seat of his empire was Spain, so I figured by default he had to be considered Spanish.

Certainly better than his son, Phillip II...

[nato]

Vercingetorix was the guy who fought Caesar in France. I'd put my guesses, but I think Monkspider got them all already.

I'd like to say I think Muhammed would be a really cool, almost daring choice for Arab leader, but I think Saladin would be more likely.

Also, about Joan ... I like Joan but would much rather have Napoleon. I don't think this has anything to do with Joan being female ... I think it has to do with Napoleon being one of the biggest, "coolest" great leaders that Civ players would like to be. Removing him would be like removing Caesar...

Joan is fine, but not at the expense of Napoleon. Thats why there aren't any Catherine or Cleopatra "bashing" threads ... Stalin and Ramses are not nearly so big or popular as Napoleon.

[Carver]

Originally posted by siredgar

8. Ethiopians - Queen Sheeba

One woman leader is enough for eight expansion civs, partly because I agree that there are too many woman leaders in Europe.

Absolutely, women should be sex slaves not leaders.

[Carver]

Ethiopia's leader would probably be Menelik I, the traditional founder of the Empire; Menelik II, who defeated the Italians at Adowa and kept Ethiopia independent; or Haile Salaisse, becuase he's just well known.

Miznia has Mali nailed, Mansa Musa (King Musa), who caused a drop in the price of gold around Cairo as his pilgramage made its way to the holy sites.

[nato]

Absolutely, women should be sex slaves not leaders.

Sounds like my Civ2 mod.

I'm joking, of course.

[Grrr]

They're adding Ethiopia?

[Boris Godunov]

No, Grrr, we don't know who they're adding yet...we're just speculating.

[Mikhail]

Far as Genghis Khan's title, probably "Lord". "We love the Great Khan day". LOL.

Player1: Actually, Mayans and Aztecs didn't occupy the same territory. Mayans were further south, in central America, while Aztecs were in Mexico. They weren't that far, no, but the Iroquis and Americans DIRECTLY overlap, no?

Siredgar: Also, the Incans would NOT be just a space filler. They were a large South American empire, which had a large military (I'm sure you've heard how the Spanish killed 80,000 Incan warriors, without losing a single man).

I'm not familliar with Incan culture myself, but I believe they invented a complex system of roads, some of the paths they carved into the desert are still visible from the air today above South America.

There culture wasn't near that of the Mayans (who's calendar was even more accurate than the European's, and is only off by a miniscule amount of time even today) but at least they were a UNIFIED people, instead of tribals like the Iroquis (which, as I've said before, have no purpose in the game since the Americans civ includes them in terms of culture.)

Personally, if I were Firaxis, I wouldn't have even thought to add Iroquis, and especially not Sioux as everyone is suggesting, until Incas, Mayans, and Aztecs were in. They were the big 3.

[Grrr]

I actually think it is a good idea. And let them hack down as many forests as possible, and beg the world for money. Wait, all Civ3 civs do that .

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Mikhail
) but at least they were a UNIFIED people, instead of tribals like the Iroquis (which, as I've said before, have no purpose in the game since the Americans civ includes them in terms of culture.)

Tell that to an Iroquois, and you won't like the reaction you get.

The Iroquois were united under a Constitution that bound the 5 tribes together.

Besides, Firaxis has said the Iroquois represent all North American Natives. It would be shameful to omit these cultures in the game. Saying the Iroquois were just a part of "American" culture is painfully Eurocentric. "American" culture is, at its roots, very European. Native American is very different.

I suggest reading more about North America pre-1492, you might find it surprising how rich the culture was.

[monkspider]

*agrees with Boris whole-heartedly*

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by monkspider
*agrees with Boris whole-heartedly*

LOL, Oh I remember my foolish, impetuous days when I was once in the anti-Iroquois crowd...seems like so long ago...