new PBEM game

[smellymummy]

so the map and game was started with ptw rules?

[Ouro_827]

We're playing Conquests... maybe it has something to do something with the fact that El Meceny made it in PTW... and I didn't touch the Civs... probably fixable, if you want to restart... /me hides behind wall to avoid being stoned *

[smellymummy]

yeah it might have to be restarted.

just use the import, and import the rules only of the conquest.biq in the conquest root folder... that should straighten everything out

[LzPrst]

huh? i'll give it a go...

but yeah, i'd prefer a restart cause i like conquests. its the way civ3 should have been released to start with

[smellymummy]

sorry everyone, i'd like to be counted out of this game. I just downloaded the map and was going to fix the ptw vs conquest rules, then i saw the map features

[LzPrst]

waddyamean? too big? too many luxes?
i kinda wanna play a random map... small or normal. huge world is simply too big for 5-6 players.

[smellymummy]

i think the first thing that made me go 'whoa' was oil on coast tiles. especially those in north canada. i posted my thoughts about the resource placement earlier in the thread, although then i agreed with more real world placement and real world map features, yet still, it's a little too much imo

i ran the maptweaker analysis for the map and it seems there is 30 horses, 41 iron, 29 saltpeter, 47 oil... and this trend of lots of resources goes on. seems like too many resources for so little civs.

[LzPrst]

I agree, i mentioned this earlier. Theres enough resources for 24 players or as you have shown, more.

And the space... Why fight? Enough room for everyone, and their grandmas. Lets vote for whether to play on the huge world map or another map.

Lets just make clear how many want to play on the el menceys huge world map and those who dont. If people want to play on another map, even a smaller world map for instance vote other map.
Maybe we can just reduce some resources here and there. Also I think my idea of playing all european civs was pretty darn good. put 2-3 AI civs in america, africa and asia and then we expand

I vote for another map.

[smellymummy]

you're right lzprst, that idea of playing the euros sounds cool. the thing is though I think this game is for the giga 362 map. if it still counts, then my vote is to get the clean el mencey map and randomize resources, without tweaking map features. real start locations is fine though, however someone would have to correctly place the C3C civs

[LzPrst]

I agree, lets randomize resources a little, and reduce the number. The fun part about it is that since europe is so small it probably wont have many resources and we'll all have to go look for them other places. MPP will flourish, if one player gets iron and the rest dont they'll have to ally up to make sure the other doesnt get too powerful.
I'm playing around with the editor... we could make some special rules, ie in order for incense to come on the map ceremonial burial would be a prerequisite. Nothing big, just a little to spice things up

not happy about sugar and tobacco. I hit random and it popped up everywhere... Is there no way to limit such resources to just one continent without placing them one by one? And oasises too, the sahara was covered in them.

maybe we could get some reasonable unbribable 3rd party to distribute the resources for us...

Also, about starting locations, sumer would have to be right on top of babylon and hittites not far off. portugal and spain are also uncomfortably tight. And dont get me started on the ottomanians and byzantines. they have practically the same location! though el mencey put the ottomanians a tad too far north, they originated in asian turkey, not bulgaria. And with the dutch and the celts europe it is one tight fit. If we play the europe scenario we would have to choose what civs are where...

[Ouro_827]

I think its just kind of odd that the two latecomers are the only ones objecting too much... anyways, I honestly don't care... It was just what I had laying around.... I will warn you now though, that this thread was built on the basis of a real world map with real world resourses..... randomization would force me to drop out....The main reason I don't like randomizaton is as LzPrst said, that some things turn up where they shouldn't be... up to others though..

[Rasputin]

i only play for fun , dont ccare about winning, so real world with reall resources is fine by me.

only reason to want randomised is to try to prevent people knowing where the resources are, but tha tnot a big concern for me

[smellymummy]

latecomer? i wasn't that late in wanting to join now was i?

and hey, i had no objections with the maps, except those i've posted above about resources on how it should be balanced with the amount of players and also randomized. Real world placement can be really fun theres no doubt in that, it's just that the thing with manual placement of the resources is that most of the time personal bias tends to rear its head and hinders the creation of a well balanced map, unless great care is taken! for example, there's 8 oil in the alaskan region, vs 10 in the middle east

so i posted above that i won't play... now I'm wondering if changes are coming up? If so, I'll stick around

[Rasputin]

Originally posted by Ouro_827
I knew that they had oil, its just they don't mine most of it, so it isn't really 'there' on most maps.... Who do you work for, Rasputin? Anyways, just to be nice, since you don't want to know where the resources are, how about not looking at the map after we've begun the game? Anways, here it is!
URL for map:
link

Turn order:
Me
Rickety
Rasputin
Cula
LzPrst
Nightshirt
Smelly

Waiting for: What Civ does LzPrst want? The save game I have right now is him Japanese.... or does he want the Celts?

i work for BP ...

As we own most of the oil now in russia i can say we very happy with the large stocks there. as it now is found, any world maps in civ3 should show the oil there.

[Dr. A. Cula]

Originally posted by LzPrst
monday morning!? thats 3 friggind days! dont worry about the cable guy, i'll kill him for you!
cant you go to a friends house or an internet cafe? just to mail the save i mean...

Well, it looks like you're going to have to wait a while longer. I was away from Civ all week-end. Tonight there will be no excuse.

As for alternatives, none of my friends who live in this town have internet, and internet cafes don't allow people to bring in floppies for fear of viruses. They're idiots, because the damn network is already infested with every virus that ever crawled the internet anyway. And even if I could bring a floppy, over the week-end it's almost impossible to get into one of these places, because of all the kids playing Counterstrike.

And I'm dead serious about the cable guy. I've been telling him I want cable internet for the past 6 months. Not even a bribe offering helped.