30% Iron Civer Tournament

[Krill]

How big are the replacement games, jshelr? and how many?

[jshelr]

4 people. At least two.

[alexman]

Re: Etiquette and Exploit List

I have a question about 1-3a:

Originally posted by Rommel2D
a)They shall not make cooperative research, development, or combat plans until an embassy is established between them and an alliance formally declared.

Does this mean that two players need to be at war with a third player (alliance) in order to cooperate in research, or is just an embassy enough?

[Rommel2D]

Re: Re: Etiquette and Exploit List

Originally posted by alexman
I have a question about 1-3a:
[...]
Does this mean that two players need to be at war with a third player (alliance) in order to cooperate in research, or is just an embassy enough?

Good catch. I hadn't thought it through to the point of realizing alliances are only made to declare war on an enemy. I edited it so that cooperative research and development are possible with only an embassy. Unless anyone thinks they should require a MPP?

Moonbars also pointed out the vagueness of 1-2 and 1-2a. These have been clarified, as has 1-3b.

[Rommel2D]

If any of the tracker threads have all players posting in agreement, I'll send out the first turn as soon as I notice. Otherwise, they will go out in about six hours or so...

[Rommel2D]

Originally posted by jshelr
I will have the first replacement game going this morning, btw. (I hope this is regarded as helping rather than interfering.) It looks to me like this group of players might be the nucleus for a decent club!

Just curious what you have in mind. I'd like to cooperate on this, but you haven't indicated how you would like to tie this in to the Tournament. What would be helpful would be to have some way to determine who would go into a game if we need a sub. For the first round, I meant to take the first person who posted from the same time region. For the championship, I thought the first winner of your games would be the alternate. I was going to suggest playing the games in elimination mode to get quick results, maybe even quick enough to determine a first-round alternate. Are these games to be self-moderated?

Whatever, I'm glad to see there are so many people interested in participating...

[Arnelos]

Just my little opinion in here, but the prohibition against tech planning before embassies seems excessively restrictive, not to mention exceedingly difficult to enforce. There would seem to be a TON of grey between "negotiating current techs" and "planning on future techs"... I'm not convinced that drawing a fine line between these is even all that feasible.

Then again, I'm only a replacement player who may not even end up in the tourny, so I guess as long as the people playing are fine with it (at least until it becomes a problem... which I suspect that it will), then whatever.

[Rommel2D]

Without an embassy you can only discuss the techs you are able to place on the diplomacy table- ie the ones already discovered. This would be consistant with the intentions of the in-game diplomacy model, I'd say. I haven't played with a rule like this yet, so I'm not sure if this is grayer in practice than it seems now.

Once again, not having thought it out thoroughly until now, I have to admit I just violated this in a game last week. It wasn't stated as a rule, but I like to play in this spirit regardless.

[Rommel2D]

For anyone needing email address info- Apolyton is back up!

[alexman]

Here is another exploit that belongs in the list, under 1-1, I think.

[jshelr]

Originally posted by Rommel2D

Just curious what you have in mind. I'd like to cooperate on this, but you haven't indicated how you would like to tie this in to the Tournament. What would be helpful would be to have some way to determine who would go into a game if we need a sub. For the first round, I meant to take the first person who posted from the same time region. For the championship, I thought the first winner of your games would be the alternate. I was going to suggest playing the games in elimination mode to get quick results, maybe even quick enough to determine a first-round alternate. Are these games to be self-moderated?

Whatever, I'm glad to see there are so many people interested in participating...

Not to worry if I was not clear. The replacement players list was fertile ground for finding people who wanted to play in a game. So, we just started games from that list. Use us as you will for the tourney. (With the length of time these games take, some of us will more likely be dead than available at the end of round one anyway )

The other remark is that we have a large group of names that is willing to play by a set of rules. I've run into rampant willingness to do anything that can be done in other games. So, the attitudes here are a relief and that's why I suggested that this group might form a club for originating games that are fair and fun to play.
Russ

[sabrewolf]

so, in the fastest played thread the 2 best qualify for the next round, right?

the other guys in the ColiseumC-thread have done a great job and we got 8 turns in under 3 hours. didn't know PBEM could be THAT much fun

[Conqueror]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
the other guys in the ColiseumC-thread have done a great job and we got 8 turns in under 3 hours. didn't know PBEM could be THAT much fun

I want to coliseum C too, any of you want to retire ?

we in Coliseum B havent had even the first turn played yet ! Players are AWOL, mail addresses are missing...

You guys will have to wait for us a looong time after you finish the game, thats my prediction.

[sabrewolf]

i thought there's a 24hour response tolerance, then general rommel and the league of replacement players take over!?!

don't forget that our turns were only the first fast ones. you controlling only about 1-3units and 1-2 cities. maybe your group consists of some rushers who'll finish the game before you get to the next era

[McMeadows]

after 72 hours IronJackson was replaced by me. It took 10 hours for me to get home and play. An internet hiccup caused more delay as my mail to Conqueror failed to reach him. A retry the next morning was succesfull. Now we're waiting for LzPrst (last message on Apolyton: 26-04-2004 21:23:04) to play his turn, or maybe even for Flandrien to send it to him.

I'm just as eager as you Conqueror, I hope it's just a bit of bad luck and some unfortunate start-up troubles.