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**Stuie** · February 7, 2003, 15:27

But..... carriers are hard to sink because of their support craft. Put a carrier alone in the open sea against a nuclear sub or a battleship or such, and I think the results are predictable. In Civ this is modelled by having additional ships stacked with the carrier.

At least that's my take on the subject.

**wilbill** · February 7, 2003, 17:14

If you run into a situation where the carrier's defensive value becomes an issue, one of two things has happened. Either the carrier didn't have enough escorts or it moved into an area where the enemy had concentrated a lot of air power. I think 8 is about right - if anything it may be too high.

**WarpStorm** · February 7, 2003, 17:27

My friends in the Submarine world have a special name for carriers, "Targets".

**Master Zen** · February 7, 2003, 18:38

The same torpedo or missile would do far more damage to a destroyer or a cruiser than a carrier, even if it does not have defensive armament it is more strongly built.

I give carriers 12 and with due credit to Warpstorm's submarine friends, i give submarines attack of 12 and nuke subs attack of 16.

**Mad Bomber** · February 7, 2003, 21:15

Originally posted by WarpStorm
My friends in the Submarine world have a special name for carriers, "Targets".

until they hear the ping of a sonobuoy directly overhead, and the engine of a MK50 torpedo spinning up.

**Thoth** · February 7, 2003, 21:58

Unescorted carriers should be easy to sink. If anything, a defence of 8 is too high.

**pedrojedi** · February 7, 2003, 22:16

Well, I'm not an expert in these subjects, build-up of carriers and stuff, but I have a ignorant concordance with Stuie: Carriers are powerful and dangerous units because their aircraft support, and, as a rule of thumb, always should (in game, if not in real life) have a escort ship like battleship or at least 2-3 destroyers.

It's nice to use Carriers as "Targets". I usualy like to travel one of them alone, full loaded with fighters, and a loose escort of submarines nearby. Just a few well-made recoinnaissance missions, 1-2 turns of stalling and "dumb target" acting and voilá! Lots of ships sinking around.

**Kingof the Apes** · February 7, 2003, 22:48

Yes, without the aircraft and support craft, the carrier is just a huge ship with not much armament.

**Panag** · February 8, 2003, 02:22

hi ,

, a carrier should at least be able to withstand two cruisemissiles , so a carrier should have at least a defense of thirty-two , it should also hold eight units and in return cost three times its current price , ....

have a nice day

**notyoueither** · February 8, 2003, 02:53

Panag, when do you intent to make a serious post?

D of 32? On what planet?

**The Mad Monk** · February 8, 2003, 06:13

I don't boost the carrier's defense in my games.

I just double the thing's initial hit points.

**CerberusIV** · February 8, 2003, 06:58

I always stack a carrier with a couple of battleships and a couple of destroyers. I have yet to lose one.

Even the AI is smart enough to escort a carrier with at least a battleship

**Unconquered** · February 8, 2003, 11:03

When I think of a Carrier unit in Civ III, I think of it with all its support ships being there but invisible on the screen. I seems like the majority of players don't see it this way, they see it as a lone Carrier floating in the ocean. This is where the discrepancy is. If it represents the Carrier with all its support ships, because most units in the game do not represent just one unit but several units, then the defense definately needs to be higher...

**Unconquered** · February 8, 2003, 11:07

OFF TOPIC: Sometimes my post doesn't take, it shows up in here but doesn't move to the top of the list in General Forum... Any Ideas?

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