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  • #61
    I stayed in Mexico (5 years ago, 1 month), Argentina (3 years ago, only 11 days) and Brasil (2 years ago, 2 months) and I can assure you that from the fall of native empires nothing interesting happened here except for wars and dictators. And yes, I gone out of the tursitic places to see the "real" country.

    Oh!! The typical imperialist thoughts. If you think latin american culture is like that, you don't know nothing of latin america. We have very great art, culture and literature. There are and were very famous latin american writers like Ernesto Sábato, Gabriel García Marques and a lot more.
    Maybe latin american countries aren't that developed, in part for the fault of our politicians and IN PART FOR AMERICAN AND ENGLISH INTERVENCION in our revolutions, our economy and our goverments. The fact that many military dictatorships in Latin America were organized by US presidents is very well known. During the south american revolution, all the area of argentina, uruguay, bolivia, paraguay and (i think) chile were one country named Provincias Unidas del Rio de La Plata. English intervention there caused the division of it in many countries. (For example: When Brasil invaded uruguay (at that time named Banda Oriental) there was a war between Brasil and Provincias unidas for that region. The english goverment intervented and suggested that banda oriental should be an independent country and fomented that idea between the uruguayan population, and that way, all SA was divided into more powerless smaller countries, instead of a powerfull big one).
    Another example is the crisis that argentina is suffering. During the last 10 years my country followed all the neoliberalist suggestions of the IMF (o FMI) and the country was called an example of a perfect economy model by the IMF. Now, all that ''perfect economy model'' is, in part, what has lead us into this crisis.
    They consider the natives as "crappy people" just because they are poors and by ages spanish "great" conquistadores just oppressed them.
    That's not true. We are not proud of the past actions of our countries and we wish we had never wiped out all the marvellous cultures that populated our terriotory. Also, I think you americans are not in position to talk about that, as you also wiped out all the native cultures of your territory.

    --Keep thinking in that marvellous imperialist way. We latins don't deserve to live. Only the superior race of the americans deserves that right. Come, please, to civilize us. (Sarcasm, in case you didn't get it )--

    -------EDIT: This post was to Xar Xo. I made it thinking he was american but it appears that he is spanish. You should use the spanish flag and not that confusing little flag.-----------
    Last edited by South killer; February 12, 2003, 21:18.
    -El patriotismo no es más que egoísmo en masa.
    -Al que me diga asesino, lo mato.
    -¿El sueño es la realidad, o la realidad es un sueño?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by XarXo
      I live in Spain, and I can say that your spanish dialect that is considered "awful"
      ¿¿¿Who do you think you are??? Come here a talk to me with that ""beautiful"" S that you said it like a Z. Come here and tell me all you're ""beautiful"" words of the "real spanish language".

      Is pathetic, they peffer imaginte themselves as "latinos" than restore and modernize the old civ that stayed here.
      That's pathetic??? Don't you have a mirror over there? As Chilean Pres said WE ARE CHILEANS! but we do believe in a Latin American Brotherhood... you don't? then what the h*** do spain in the EU? You're not brothers with the others european countries? Maybe you should look to rebuild your Roman Empire!

      another poor inmigrant to maintain.
      this should not have a response...

      You're not only a new kind of nazi that believes that the American Nations should not be consider as that, but you're really stupid if you believe that there is no art or culture here. Proof are so many that I don't want to miss my precious time explaining them to a "underdeveloped brain" as the one you have.

      I gone out of the tursitic places to see the "real" country.
      I rest my case.

      Viva Chile mierda!
      A los niños les gusta jugar con soldaditos, y a las niñas, con muñecas. Cuando son mayores es al revés.

      Sombra terrible de los Lisperger, voy a evocaros!

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      • #63
        Yep that's right the British decided to make us a country, that was all disscused without the uruguayan people, all the british wanted more places to put their products, well we can't really complaint of the english since they've built railroads and water services, and then we bought 'em back in exchange for the debt they had with us (stupid, really stupid )

        pedrojedi i agree with good soccer (right now uruguay ain't having much of that good soccer )

        south killer: no chile wasn't in it it was a different thing i can't remeber the name
        Sos groso, sabelo!
        "Yo a mis equipos los coloco bien el la cancha, lo que pasa es que cuando empieza el partido los jugadores se mueven" - Alfio "Coco" Basile

        "En el fútbol la que manda es la pelota" - Ángel Cappa

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        • #64
          Originally posted by South killer
          and (i think) chile were one country named Provincias Unidas del Rio de La Plata.
          nop.
          Chile was the Capitania General de Chile, independent from the Virreynato de La Plata and from the Virreynato del Perú. Anyway, the british also came over here to make some railroads in the north, but mainly german, yugoslavian, croat an czechs.

          Pedrojedi, I also agree .. soccer is good (and also I agree with Manya, Chile is not having much of that good soccer )
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          • #65
            yep Chilean President we are sucking now and this is proved by Venezuela beating us both in soccer .

            Yep is Capitania i didn't remeber that name
            Sos groso, sabelo!
            "Yo a mis equipos los coloco bien el la cancha, lo que pasa es que cuando empieza el partido los jugadores se mueven" - Alfio "Coco" Basile

            "En el fútbol la que manda es la pelota" - Ángel Cappa

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            • #66
              Manya te envie un Private Message
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              • #67
                Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
                To make the grade as a Civlization, a culture must have made a lasting impression on the world.
                I have to disagree. Civilizations should be included if they are interesting and/or would be fun to play.

                This is also why I'd be a big fan of including the Polynesians (or any sub-group thereof). It's simply mind-boggling to me that a people with such primitive technology could successfully navigate that much ocean to find such small and widely dispersed pockets of land. For a unique unit, there are all sorts of bad-assed ancient era attack units you could use, or you could go with a modified galley. Good luck choosing an aggression level though; in some ways they're very aggressive, in other ways not at all.

                Then again, in my opinion and using the above criteria, the Sioux should've been included before the Iroquois. Of the aboriginal cultures of North America, they were the most… erm… "fun". They definitely would've rated a higher aggression score than the measely two attributed to the Iroquois.
                "It's great to be known, but it's even better to be known as strange." --Takeshi Kaga

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by brianshapiro
                  i dont think israel should be added, there was influence from the culture but israel was never an empire and was most times part of other empires . its impossible to not find it funny to put israel next to rome,france,america as world-players and you people know it.
                  so stop trying to have your way

                  but personally i would like to be able to play on a 50 player map with both small and large states/civilizations . in which case adding them would make sense, but so would adding other small history-specific groups like phonecians etc.
                  hi ,

                  since when do nations have to be an empire to be included , ...... the Gauls did not exactly had a large empire neither and they are in , ......

                  and please explain what you mean with putting Israel next to rome , france and america as worldplayers , .....

                  and what do you mean with "so stop trying to have your way" , .....

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                  • #69
                    Chile was the Capitania General de Chile, independent from the Virreynato de La Plata
                    Sorry, My mistake.
                    I like your ideas about a rainforest guerrilla UU and specially that one about half-naked carnaval women .
                    I also would like to see a tibetan civ, as i posted early. I knew nothing of tibet until i read The Third Eye (El Tercer Ojo) by Lobsang Rampa, that tells how life was there when the country was free. their UU would be the tibetan monk and it would have the ability to spy enemy cities and also to convert them.
                    That would be cool!!!

                    Anyway, argentina still has the best football in Latin America
                    -El patriotismo no es más que egoísmo en masa.
                    -Al que me diga asesino, lo mato.
                    -¿El sueño es la realidad, o la realidad es un sueño?

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                    • #70
                      Oh no... prepare yourselves everybody...

                      an Argentina vs. Brazil football rivalry thread looms in the horizon!

                      A true ally stabs you in the front.

                      Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by panag

                        since when do nations have to be an empire to be included , ...... the Gauls did not exactly had a large empire neither and they are in , ......
                        The Gauls??? Are you sure you're talking about Civ3?

                        A true ally stabs you in the front.

                        Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Master Zen


                          The Gauls??? Are you sure you're talking about Civ3?

                          He means France!
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Master Zen
                            Oh no... prepare yourselves everybody...

                            an Argentina vs. Brazil football rivalry thread looms in the horizon!


                            Don't forget Uruguay
                            Sos groso, sabelo!
                            "Yo a mis equipos los coloco bien el la cancha, lo que pasa es que cuando empieza el partido los jugadores se mueven" - Alfio "Coco" Basile

                            "En el fútbol la que manda es la pelota" - Ángel Cappa

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                            • #74
                              Well, if he meant France then they had the 2nd largest colonial empire ever.

                              (when he said Gauls I imagined Asterix as its leader )
                              A true ally stabs you in the front.

                              Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by South killer
                                Sorry, My mistake.
                                don't worry

                                about a "soccer war" between Argentina and Brazil, well.. sorry South Killer, my bet goes to Pedrojedi's civ

                                I agree with Underseer, fun civ should be included. And I sure miss the sioux
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