The Perfect Civ List

[Aramis]

Originally posted by steven8r
Just out of curriosity, what Civ Traits would the Canadians have, eh?

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[Aramis]

Originally posted by steven8r
Just out of curriosity, what Civ Traits would the Canadians have, eh?

Seriously, Industrious and Scientific.

With far fewer people than the US of A, and much more territory, Canada in its brief history (since independence) is one of the world's most remarkable success stories. Maybe the best.

My hat off to the northern neighbors. Sorry you have to live so close to us-- but it does give an exciting element of danger.

[Chilean President™]

Originally posted by rmds
Canada in its brief history (since independence) is one of the world's most remarkable success stories. Maybe the best.

I know that there is not so succesful like Canada in quick developement, but at this point I think that the modern social democracies of the nordic nations are also remarkable for their success in this capitalistic world.

Originally posted by rmds
My hat off to the northern neighbors. Sorry you have to live so close to us-- but it does give an exciting element of danger.

is nice to hear (or see) an "american mea culpa" ... or it was only a joke? Anyway, pretty good

[Aramis]

is nice to hear (or see) an "american mea culpa" ... or it was only a joke? Anyway, pretty good

Both--I'm a Unitedstatesian. Or, as we like to call ourselves, Unitedstatittes.

[HolyWarrior]

Originally posted by Centauri18
Those would be my picks for the new civs as well. Never heard of the Khmers, though. A couple of those are the ones they ought to have added in PTW. It should have been more than five civs.

The Khmer are primarily known for their massive temple complex Angkor Wat. They ruled the entire Indochina area while Europe was still in the dark ages.

[Aramis]

Originally posted by rmds


Both--I'm a Unitedstatesian. Or, as we like to call ourselves, Unitedstatittes.

Let me rephrase that.

I was serious in the intent, but lighthearted in the delivery (Kinda like what our missles will be doing to Iraq in about 3 weeks, if the cowboy President gets his way.)

Canada is a good choice to represent breakaway British colonies. Maybe some kind of bonus for them to build a good railway system? Workers build railways as fast with Republic as with Democracy?

I'm going to take the dog for a walk now.

Good night.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by rmds


Both--I'm a Unitedstatesian. Or, as we like to call ourselves, Unitedstatittes.

Funny, now that you mention it, I've always been a bit offended that the US reserves the right to call themselves "Americans" being there 30+ countries in the continent. Also, Amerigo Vespucci called the New World America, he did not distinguish between North and South, so it would also be historically incorrect to refer to the US as "America" and the continent as "the Americas".

The problem, of course, is that the US doesn't have a real name in the same sense as "Rusia", "Japan" etc. I have always tried to find a word to use, in English, to call an American without calling them "American". I guess Unitedstatesian would be the closest.

In Spanish we don't have that problem as there exists a prefectly usuable word to call you guys, "Estadounidenses" (Direct translation of Unitedstatesian). Still, many people refer to them as "Norteamericanos" or "Americanos". I would say that's wrong considering we have the first option. Still, most people say "Gringos"...

Another "shorter" option: USians.

[Master Zen]

BTW, I was thinking if there was another "no-real-name" country and there is: The United Arab Emirates.

What do they call themselves? Gonna check the CIA Factbook. Using the same line of reasoning as the US, they have the right to reserve the use of the word "Arabs" to refer to them.

[Master Zen]

Before I get slammed for US-bashing, I must make the point that the term "American" originally referred to British colonials in the New World, as to distinguish them from British in Britain. The name apparently stuck.

[Aramis]

Originally posted by Master Zen
Funny, now that you mention it, I've always been a bit offended that the US reserves the right to call themselves "Americans" being there 30+ countries in the continent.

A US author named Paul Theroux wrote a book a number of years back, called The Old Patagonian Express, about his attempt to take a railway journey from Boston's South Station to the farthest possible spot in Argentina's province of Patagonia.

Other than the (then and maybe still) contentious border between Colombia and Panama he was successful.

His return journey he wanted to do on the ocean, by steamer. He asked someone if a particular ship stopped at American ports. Told 'yes' he booked passage only to find that the ship did not go north of Brasil.

He realized then, he wrote, that citizens of the USA do NOT have a lock on the name 'American.' All those ports were American, but not USA.

That book opened my eyes, too. I call myself an American around my US friends, but to people from other nations I describe myself either as "from Indiana", or "a citizen of the US."

Both unwieldy terms.

But we're stuck with such forms. A union of fifty states that still maintain a fair amount of self-government, we've never had a chance or inkling to choose a national name. other than arrogantly appropriating the term 'American.'

I vote for 'Unitedstatittes.' Reminds me of the Hittites.

To keep a tiny bit on subject--maybe Firaxis should have added Arrogance as a civ trait. Then 'America' could be expansionist and arrogant (and commercial and militaristic and scientific and artistic and greedy and . . . and--OMG!--Left Out of the Game! I guess it was a marketing decision: how Unitedstatittian).

[Master Zen]

I think arrogance is not a Unitedstatittian-only (geez that's hard to pronounce!) trait.

Try the Brits during the Victorian age...try the French during the Bell Epoque...

[mrboo123]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
(...)I know you can't add UUs (THAT would be cool...), but surely if you want something changed you can change it.

Funny, I did that...

[mrboo123]

Originally posted by Yanghead
Canada:

Religious: went from Monarcy to Democracy(ok socalism) without a hitch.

Scientific: high education level, and hey we made the Canadarm on the space shuttle.

UU: mountie (gives double effect when garrisoned for happines otherwise usless in combat) early Industrial Age

or peacekeeper (colourless modern unit with high defence and like 1 or 0 attack)

Basically a builder civ, cause we ain't expansionist or militaristic, and well can socalists be commercial? oh yeah Its too damn cold to be industrious (right now anyway).

Plus someone has dome advisor heads you know science guy, military guy with Bob and Doug Mckenzie

I made the Peacekeeper for my civ, and inculded the stuff the workers do (Mine, build roads...) and cost a civilian too.

[Wazell]

BTW, I was thinking if there was another "no-real-name" country and there is: The United Arab Emirates.

What do they call themselves? Gonna check the CIA Factbook. Using the same line of reasoning as the US, they have the right to reserve the use of the word "Arabs" to refer to them.

IIRC, the citizens of UAE call themselves by their own emirate. There are seven of them. So someone from Dubai has different "nationality" than someone from Abu Dhabi. They're probably called this way by other Arabs, too.

You are right with the America thing. Good'old Amerigo sailed with Portuguese around South America, particularly Brazil. He told many interesting stories from his travels so cartographers thought it appropriate to name the whole new world after him. Mind you, North America was unknown back then, except maybe Florida and Newfoundland area, which were thought to be islands. Thus the name originally refers to Latin America.

[XarXo]

Re: The Perfect Civ List

Originally posted by South killer
i think the civs playable on civ 3 are very bad chosen (like the iroquis ). I think a game like civ3 should have civs that represent all cultures of all places of the world. So, anyway, here's the list:

America:
-USA
-Aztec
-Inca
-Brasil
-Argentina or Mexico(or both-- we need a spanish-speaking latinamerican civ)
Europe:
-Spain
-France
-England
-Germany
-Roman
-Greek
-Russian
Middle East:
-Turkey
-Persian
-Arabian
Africa:
-Egypt
-Zulus or Zimbabwe
Asia:
-Chinese
-Japanese
Oceania:
-Polynesian

That'll make 20 civs. What do you think of the list?

ROTFLMAO

And why not a Bolivian Civ? They country is pretty large!!!

You "just" forgot: Siam, Mongolia, Ethiopia, Mayas, Babylon, Israel, India, Ghana, Scandinavians, Celts...

Oh, please! This list proposal is TRUE?

What is the great cultural achievement of south america countries? Afternoon 500 episodies TV series ? Oh please! Only the Iroquois religion is by far more important than all the culture produced in South America after the fall of the native empires!!

USA enters in the game just because it truly is controlling near all the world (today news, just read). But the others? Brasil? Why? Because is chopping the amazon?

Civ is a game of more than 6000 years, think in something with a bit of history.