Choose your peaceful great leaders

[Destroyer]

The BBCs survey of the greatest ever british people has been reduced to the 10 best. These could all be used in Civ3. But who would other countries use?

English:
Isambard Kingdom Brunel
Winston Churchill
Oliver Cromwell
Charles Darwin
Diana, Princess of Wales ???
Queen Elizabeth I
John Lennon
Horatio Nelson
Isaac Newton
William Shakespeare

[vmxa1]

They could not come up with someone a little more substancial than Diane?

[Sean]

Yes the inclusion of Diana makes a mockery of an otherwise fine list. It also makes the list far to biased owards the present...when it otherwise wouldn't of been.

[vmxa1]

When list are made my polling the general populance, you get too many modern names. I think that is due to many people not having being able to find their behind with both hands. Just watch Jay Walking on the Tonight show to see what I mean. Sorry for those that do not have access to the show, but it asks every day question of random people (often on a campus) and notes the responses. Example: (This is done in LA California, where Mexico is about 120 miles south and Canada is North some hundreds of miles) What nations border the United States Of America? Ans: New Mexico? (For non Americans, New Mexico is a state).
Example: Asks to estimate where a mile is from the current location. Ans: The guys point to a spot about 1 block away.
Not exactly trick questions.

[alva]

Diana

Going back to your Q: I would probably say Newton.

[Vlad Antlerkov]

Either Isaac Newton or Shakespeare, for the Brits.

Anyway, a few for other nations:

Greece:
-- Pericles
-- Themistocles
-- Sophocles
-- Pythagoras
-- Democritus
-- Plato
-- Socrates
-- Herodotus
-- Aristotle
-- Archimedes (who, to his credit, had a shot at discovering calculus 1800 years before Newton)
-- Euclid

Rome:
-- Cicero
-- Horace
-- Vergil

Germany:
-- Albert Speer
-- Einstein
-- Heisenberg
-- Niels Bohr (not German, I know...)
-- Copernicus

America:
-- Thomas Jefferson
-- Thomas Paine (even though he's a Scotsman)
-- Henry Clay
-- Daniel Webster
-- John Calhoun
-- Teddy Roosevelt
-- Ted Williams ( )
-- FDR

China:
-- Confucius
-- Sun Yat-Sen
-- Zhu Yuanzhang

[vmxa1]

USA: addition options
Lincoln
Edison
Washington

[ducki]

Leaders listed that I would not include in a "peaceful" leaders list.

Lincoln
Washington
Teddy Roosevelt
Winston Churchill
Horatio Nelson(Not sure, wasn't he a Naval commander? Or am I think of the wrong Nelson? Doesn't matter, he's on the original list. Duh. Me=goober)


Now, I realise that these people all did great things, but I wouldn't classify them a "peaceful" or "peacetime" Leaders. If not for their respective wars, I doubt any of these men would have been "as great" as we now think of them.


I do like having a list of names to rename my Elites that have generated a leader already, though. Why is it these guys seem to die so soon after making a leader?

[vmxa1]

Copernicus was born in Poland, so I would remove him from Germany. That is why I left Ablert E off the American list.

[Athitis]

Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov
Either Isaac Newton or Shakespeare, for the Brits.

Anyway, a few for other nations:

Greece:
-- Pericles
-- Themistocles
-- Sophocles
-- Pythagoras
-- Democritus
-- Plato
-- Socrates
-- Herodotus
-- Aristotle
-- Archimedes (who, to his credit, had a shot at discovering calculus 1800 years before Newton)
-- Euclid

Some More Modern Greek Leaders:

Kapodistrias
Trikoupis
Eleftherios Venizelos
Papandreou (don't kill me right-wingers)

[Chemical Ollie]

Re: Choose your peaceful great leaders

Originally posted by Destroyer
The BBCs survey of the greatest ever british people has been reduced to the 10 best. These could all be used in Civ3. But who would other countries use?

English:
Isambard Kingdom Brunel
Winston Churchill
Oliver Cromwell
Charles Darwin
Diana, Princess of Wales ???
Queen Elizabeth I
John Lennon
Horatio Nelson
Isaac Newton
William Shakespeare

I know most people on this list. But who's the top dude? Was he a fairy tale legend or a real historical person? And was Oliver Cromwell really a peaceful leader? Didn't he start a civil war or two? And what about Nelson? And Lady Die a leader? Naaawwww!

[Shadowstrife911]

Cromwell was a member of Parliament who was partly responsible for the execution of King Charles. He also lead the Parliament's army during the Civil War against the Monarch's army. After the King's execution, Cromwell became the Lord Protector of England.

[Arrian]

Brunel was a railroad man (I played a LOT of Railroad Tycoon).

-Arrian

[molly bloom]

Re: Re: Choose your peaceful great leaders

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Olaf HÃ¥rfagre


I know most people on this list. But who's the top dude? Was he a fairy tale legend or a real historical person?

http://www.greatbuildings.com/architects/Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel.html

Brunel was a polymath engineer/architect, with expertise in various fields- railways, bridges, ships, hydraulics.

Diana's inclusion is an affront to the other people in the list who did more with their lives than marry the heir to the throne and have a yen for self-publicising. And not be stupid enough not to wear a seatbelt.

[Destroyer]

A good few replys, although Im ignorant of who Confucius, Sun Yat-Sen and Zhu Yuanzhang are (hey, Im also ignorant of what Diana did too, but at least its better than Beckham)!

Most of these guys could be split as leaders who produce bonuses in happiness, production, science or culture.

I always thought it would be great if you could capture your opponents leaders, and make them work for you.