1.29 chat : the most interesting info

[notyoueither]

I think the units AI are either set permanently to offensive or defensive status... they can't switch back and forth had to do with the AI upgrading units.

If I am correct, as the AI builds units they are built for a role on a unit by unit basis. So when it builds 10 Riflemen, 8 may be for defensive use and 2 for offensive. When they upgrade in 1.21, the unit can switch from defensive to offensive. That can result in the AI being swamped with 'offensive' foot units and not building fast units.

With 1.29, that role is frozen when the unit is built. Thus we should see more AI cav and tanks.

Someone who knows better may correct me if I have got this wrong.

[notyoueither]

BTW. If I am correct, this would be a very good reason to not let sword and long bow upgrade to infantry in mods. Again, the AI could end up swamped with slow offensive forces.

[NeoStar]

Originally posted by notyoueither
BTW. If I am correct, this would be a very good reason to not let sword and long bow upgrade to infantry in mods. Again, the AI could end up swamped with slow offensive forces.

No! I hate those things remaining on the menu when you have tanks and bombers!

But if what you said is true... has anyone played a full regular game yet? I hope the AI is building more offensive units!

[notyoueither]

Of course, if you don't allow them to upgrade to Marines or some such, the AI my end up with a bunch of useless foot sloggers. I thought of that later.

Does anyone know if the AI disbands some older units as it can build newer ones?

[Jaybe]

Let's see, Swords upgrade to Assault Infantry, Assault Infantry upgrade to Tanks.
Longbows upgrade to ..., uh, (well, you get the idea) ....

Now all someone has to do is make up the stats and graphics for the Assualt Infantry, ....

[player1]

Ehh, but in my MOD attack of rifle is 5 and attack of Infantry is 8.

So they can be used in attack.

[monkspider]

Sorry I couldn't make this one guys, I had to work. You know if I was there I would have squeezed some spicy tidbits out of them.

[Coracle]

Re: 1.29 chat : the most interesting info

Originally posted by Spiffor

. . .- missed naval bombardments will show in PtW : water spouts

. . . - There are no plans to change expansionist traits

. . .- The AI is more willing to build factories and alike

. . .-This will change the tech race drastically. . .

Oh, goody. Graphic waterspouts.

Settler Diarrhea - the crazy flood of AI settlers flooding our territory and encroaching our borders - will continue.

Oh, the AI now will have to build factories to get factory-level production instead of CHEATING and getting that production WITHOUT the factories? Great. Now let's end all the other AI cheats, too.

Tech race? How about ending the AI cheating there, also.

And Firaxis remains determined to force that idiotic Culture Flipping on us, but do nothing about allowing privateers and subs to attack trade routes; or even do something as simple as allow us to sort city names alphabetically, or give bombers a range greater than '8'

Nor will they give us back a Cheat Mode as was in Civ 2, or whatever to allow us to switch sides, control accelerated startups, and do other things to minimize tedium and have FUN.

How about doing something about the AI that gangs up on the human with little tricks such as sacrificing one smaller civ to attack the human and basically committ suicide to help the other AI civs catch up? Reputation is another fraud; I am tired of being blamed forever for stuff I never did.

Firaxis' obstinate obsession with Culture Flipping has become a truly bizarre fixation. The concept is bad enough, but it is implemented in ways that are stupid and profoundly irritating.

You guys have a ways to go before you get my thirty bucks for PTW.

[=DrJambo=]

Re: 1.29 chat : the most interesting info

Originally posted by Spiffor

My favourites are :
- The military advisor now assess strentgh the same way the AI does - by relative strengths and weaknesses of individual units.
- Medieval infantry's adm are constantly tweaked, but are 4/2/1 for now.
- missed naval bombardments will show in PtW : water spouts
- Added existing deals to the foreign advisor screens, which saves a lot of unnecessary communicating..
- PtW will feature rally points ala Starcraft
- There are no plans to change expansionist traits
- The corruption modofier of commercial trait affects shields as well as commerce
- FP doubles the # of optimal cities under communism

AI tweaks :
- The AI values techs higher, so there would be less trading
- The AI will go build UN and Spaceship more agressively
- The AI is more willing to build factories and alike

Spiffor,

Are these all in 1.29f or are some of these planned implementations for PTW?

[lockstep]

Re: 1.29 chat : the most interesting info

Originally posted by Spiffor
- FP doubles the # of optimal cities under communism

Is this really already included in the patch? In the new editor, there's no government flag for 'FP doubles the no. of optimal cities'. On second thought, this could be a side effect of 'communal' corruption (and thus, only for communism in the standard game version).

This should make communism far more worthwile, at least for war-mongers.

[player1]

Re: Re: 1.29 chat : the most interesting info

Originally posted by Coracle

Tech race? How about ending the AI cheating there, also.

Hey, that cheaping is over.
What your read the thread?

No sides cheats anymore in tech researsh.

Now, I don't know about tech trade itself, but AI itself would need same amount of research points to get desired tech on ALL diffculties levels.

[isak]

Does anyone have a full log of the chat?

I would really like to read it all, if possible.

[player1]

Me too.

[Fidel]

tech race

what are ai to ai trade rates now? do i still have to tweak with the files if i want to prevent them trading like crazy when playing with 12 civs on standard map?

[player1]

Re: tech race

Originally posted by LaRusso
what are ai to ai trade rates now? do i still have to tweak with the files if i want to prevent them trading like crazy when playing with 12 civs on standard map?

Tech trade rate is same as before, but AI now has no bonus on research on higher diffcult levels (nor panlaity on lower level), and thus makes tech more valuable for trade, which DIMINISHES number of AIvsAI tech. trades.

So, tech trading will be more bareable then before.