hidden racist agenda

[Andrew Cory]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
So, one could argue that the bolsheviks actually did you a favor?

Well, it was actualy the Nazis who pushed them into leaving the continent, first to Russia, then Canada (I still have a lot of family in Ontario), and finally (illegaly) to the US...

But yes, one could argue.

Originally posted by Kamrat X
The real madness didn´t start until Stalin had seized power in the USSR. Lenin was no angel, but at least he wasn´t a homocidal maniac like Stalin.

The difference between "no angel" and "homocidal maniac" is fairly large. But then there is an even larger difference between some of our worst presidents (Nixon; Reagan), and Lenin. Spying on your political advisaries and calling them unpatriotic is one thing. Hunting them down and killing them is somthing else entirely.

Originally posted by Kamrat X
And I didn´t compare USA to USSR directly. There is a difference in scale and intentions.

And let us not forget methods. And outcomes.

Originally posted by Kamrat X
I´m not opposed of world trade or globalization, but it has to be fair. It isn´t that today IMO.

I won't dissagree that fair is good. The question is: how do we achive fair? The further question is: would fair make us better off? If the west had the same standard of living as the sub-saharan-african-nation-of-your-choice, small pox would more than likely still be around today, cases of malaria would jump dramaticaly, and AIDS would be *shudder* bad.

How do we let the vast majority have all the opertunity that they can grab without lowering the return on their struggle? Indeed, it is this very question that pushed me into politics...

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Andrew Cory

Well, it was actualy the Nazis who pushed them into leaving the continent, first to Russia, then Canada (I still have a lot of family in Ontario), and finally (illegaly) to the US...

But yes, one could argue.

But "Cory" doesn´t sound very russian. I assume your grandparents changed their names?

The difference between "no angel" and "homocidal maniac" is fairly large. But then there is an even larger difference between some of our worst presidents (Nixon; Reagan), and Lenin. Spying on your political advisaries and calling them unpatriotic is one thing. Hunting them down and killing them is somthing else entirely.

Yes, I admit that the comparison not hold good...

I won't dissagree that fair is good. The question is: how do we achive fair? The further question is: would fair make us better off? If the west had the same standard of living as the sub-saharan-african-nation-of-your-choice, small pox would more than likely still be around today, cases of malaria would jump dramaticaly, and AIDS would be *shudder* bad.

How do we let the vast majority have all the opertunity that they can grab without lowering the return on their struggle? Indeed, it is this very question that pushed me into politics...

The goal is of course that no one shall have a living standard like that of sub-saharan Africa. And equal distribution of the worlds rescources will achieve that. I´ve read that according to UN it would only require approx. 10 billion dollars to end world hunger, that is approx. the amount of money europeans spend on ice-cream in a year. Makes you think doesn´t it?

I´m off to bed now, it´s 1.30 AM here and I gotta get up to spred the word of socialism on the streets of Gothenburg tomorrow.

[Whoha]

you know, i think you missed something

"that title's meant to be provocative just so someone besides myself will read this.

consider:
after a certain amount of turns, people of foreign nationality in your cities become assimilated. they don't become integrated, they become assimilated. they lose their identity. their little face icons change. they've been bred out. their skin colour changes.

I don't like this. please firaxis, change it. don't assimilate them. leave them their ethnicity. I like the idea of having Greeks, Egyptians, Zulus, Germans, Chinese, Iroquois, etc... all living together in one city. let us encourage diversity, not a monoculture. perhaps this would make it easier to win the UN if you had large populations of foreigners under your benevolent rule.


yes, I understand that assimilation represents the transfer of loyalties, but why is this accompanied by the obliteration of their former identity? couldn't we just leave their faces the same? Or produce a new "mixed" nationality? Consider, former black slaves in America aren't lily white now, are they? and sure racial tension is a problem, but most blacks consider themselves american. they overwhelmingly support america, even though they are their own culture. integration doesn't happen because blacks become white, it's because they're accepted by the majority and given rights. the chinese flood of immigrants in vancouver doesn't culture flip to china. but they're not lily-white either. I want my New York to have people of all ethnicities, not one big white-faced crowd. (I use "white" here only because that is the dominant ethnocultural group of north america).

Unity is not equal to uniformity!!!


Admittedly this is not a major gameplay issue, just a question of offending my sensibilities. I cannot abide such overt racism, even if unintentional. I don't expect Firaxis to change any of this, they've got bigger issues at mind and I'm not sure they care, but I had to say it. Silence is compliance.



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*even cooler would be that if you have a city with another ethnicity being dominant, if they were well-integrated into the empire, you could build their UU. example: cossacks aren't russian. russia wouldn't have that UU if the cossacks hadn't signed on with them. (IIRC the Germans swung cossack loyalty to their side in some war, military historians please correct me)"

You see, this isn't an issue, and theres a reason: the game straight jackets you into a game of raze the city. I myself havent seen a city assimilate foreigners because I burn them to the ground, and enslave the survivors. THAT is the fairly poorly hidden racist agenda, though I expect it will have changed, havent played since 1.17f.

The uu concern is non issue, impis and mws are awesome hands down, and in multiplayer they will really shine. What better resource denier is there then the impi? or say, a stack of 10 of them. Also notice how england,france, and America get shafted into having crappy uus.

However, this, like the top one may just be poor game balance issues that will be resolved.

[Thrawn05]

Why did you play the race card Captain?

[Tuberski]

I can't believe this thread is still alive.

[Zoid]

The mods must be sleeping But I guess as long as it don´t turn into a flame war Ming keeps his finger off the lock-button.

[AJ Corp. The FAIR]

Originally posted by Trevman
Captain,
Gosh- Is anything not "rascist" anymore
...
Also, although this post isn't an attack, it still reminds me of how almost everythin is labeled "rascist" these days.

Yes, like certain nations are now always referring to

TERRORISTS.

I'll excuse for the 'rude' language in advance , but :

in certain countries (like US and Israel) you couldn't even fart anymore before being accused of another 'terrorist biochemical attack'.

Talking about mass hysteria and political brainwashing.

AJ

PS: My statement is slightly exagerated, but you get the point.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by AJ Corp. The FAIR PS: My statement is slightly exagerated, but you get the point.

No, I don't. What exactly is your point as it applies to this topic?

[zulu9812]

Okay -

In Civ3 we get to slaughter, enslave, burn and pillage. Isn't that nice. Maybe I'm a cruel sadistic warlord, but I quite like slaughtering, enslaving, burning and pillaging. At least in Civ .
I also quite like having a visual clue as to when my citizens will stop culture flipping due to that "Stop the war against our mother country!" nonsense. Does that mean I have a 'hidden racist agenda'? I think not.

[Coracle]

Originally posted by AJ Corp. The FAIR


Yes, like certain nations are now always referring to

TERRORISTS.

I'll excuse for the 'rude' language in advance , but :

in certain countries (like US and Israel) you couldn't even fart anymore before being accused of another 'terrorist biochemical attack'.

Talking about mass hysteria and political brainwashing.

AJ

PS: My statement is slightly exagerated, but you get the point.

It is NOT exagerrated; it is 100% accurate.

To the Zionists, EVERY Palestinian is a "terrorist".

The Zionists (some Jews; some not Jews) control the American media and spew out their propaganda. They never tell us of the bloody terrorist history of Zionism or of Ariel Sharon.

Here's a couple of links to get you started:

http://www.jerusalemites.org/kfar.html

http://www.deiryassin.org/

[Andrew Cory]

Originally posted by Coracle


It is NOT exagerrated; it is 100% accurate.

To the Zionists, EVERY Palestinian is a "terrorist".

The Zionists (some Jews; some not Jews) control the American media and spew out their propaganda. They never tell us of the bloody terrorist history of Zionism or of Ariel Sharon.

Here's a couple of links to get you started:

http://www.jerusalemites.org/kfar.html

http://www.deiryassin.org/

Ok, Coracle, you are now in my kill file.

[Andrew Cory]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
But "Cory" doesn´t sound very russian. I assume your grandparents changed their names?

Well, actualy, they didn't, and "Andrew Cory" isn't as much my real name as "Kamrat X" is yours. *grin* Ain't the Web great?

Originally posted by Kamrat X
The goal is of course that no one shall have a living standard like that of sub-saharan Africa. And equal distribution of the worlds rescources will achieve that. I´ve read that according to UN it would only require approx. 10 billion dollars to end world hunger, that is approx. the amount of money europeans spend on ice-cream in a year. Makes you think doesn´t it?

The problem is that if you give a man a fish every day for a year, he becomes dependant upon you. Simply giving money away doesn't do much (ask the sweeds about how much better off the Kenyens are with all the aid the swiss have sent them.) That isn't to say that they don't work hard-- they do. But hard work doesn't nessicarily equal wealth. the only thing that will allow under-developed nations to develop is bringing them into the world market. That won't happen just by tossing money at them. No one seems to have come to a better conclusion as to how to fix the problem, however...

[Zylka]

I agree...

[bigvic]

Originally posted by Zylka
I agree...

Wow, Zylka. Where you been since your 95 theses? Living your life?

[August Borms]

Originally posted by Coracle


It is NOT exagerrated; it is 100% accurate.

To the Zionists, EVERY Palestinian is a "terrorist".

The Zionists (some Jews; some not Jews) control the American media and spew out their propaganda. They never tell us of the bloody terrorist history of Zionism or of Ariel Sharon.

The Pals can go to hell for cheering and celebrating when thousands of people were dying in the WTC towers (and for blowing up teenagers and grandma's too)