Napoleon

[The Rook]

Why Joan over Napoleon? Is it some PC thing where Firaxis thought they had to give some of the leader positions to women? Napoleon deserves to sit next to Julius, Alexander, and Elizabeth. I have nothing against Joan, but I don't think she should bump Napoleon for the spot.

[Coracle]

Why not Napoleon??

Because Firaxis in its tawdriness wanted to "sex up" the game, and be pathetically Politically Correct with all those female leaders.

I changed her to Napoleon months ago. There are sites posted that supply new heads you can download.

[MosesPresley]

Coracle,

I changed her to Napoleon months ago. There are sites posted that supply new heads you can download.

Please provide a link.

[Zachriel]

I am an aficionado of Napoleon, but Joan was instrumental in the unification of France, and is a symbol of French national unity.

[Cyclotron]

Coracle, if Joan "sexed up" civ, I would imagine you think that Civ2 was not sexed up. In that case, please explain to me:

1) The viking herald. I beleive the manual even has an acknowledgement to the artist who "finally put some clothes on the viking herald."

2) The egyptian herald, who looks more like a pole dancer than an ambassador.

Hey Coracle: I know you may not be old enough to understand it, but: cleavage is a fact of life. Yep. Civ3 is less "sexed up" than Civ2, and the fact that you can't handle a basic piece of the female anatomy probably better than a small child isn't something you want to be yelling out to everyone at Apolyton. Then again, if you are looking for our disdain...

[Thrawn05]

Originally posted by Coracle
Why not Napoleon??

Because Firaxis in its tawdriness wanted to "sex up" the game, and be pathetically Politically Correct with all those female leaders.

I changed her to Napoleon months ago. There are sites posted that supply new heads you can download.

I agree, welcome to the world of PC. Why did firaxis insert the Zulus? They started in southern Africa, yet are considered middle eastern culture. Sounds like a quick implementation of a civ to me. I'm sure there are a couple of other large African empires out there in history to insert. Wasn't Ethiopia an Egyptian rival for a while?

[Mongoose]

Firaxis did not 'insert' the Zulus. They've been in the game since CIV 1, IIRC. At the very least, they were in CIV2.

[Nym]

Originally posted by Mongoose
Firaxis did not 'insert' the Zulus. They've been in the game since CIV 1, IIRC. At the very least, they were in CIV2.

Yes, they already were in Civ I.

[Akka]

Considering that the french UU is the musketeer, I would have considered Louis XIV the best leader for France.
Of course, I can't protest to have my dear Napoléon chosen
Jeanne d'Arc was perhaps a huge symbol in France unity, but she was never the country ruler, only an emblematic icon. She should be a great leader, NOT the ruler.

[LordAngus]

Clearly the best choice to represent France is Charles "The Hammer" Martel. His defeat of a Muslim army in 732 checked the spread of Islam into Western Europe. Without The Hammer there would have been no Carolingian Emire, no Charlemagne.

[Sava]

Napoleon should have been the French leader, although Joan d'Arc does look kind of hot.

[Sava]

Originally posted by LordAngus
Clearly the best choice to represent France is Charles "The Hammer" Martel. His defeat of a Muslim army in 732 checked the spread of Islam into Western Europe. Without The Hammer there would have been no Carolingian Emire, no Charlemagne.

True, but there are countless decisive battles like that throughout history. I think you need to rank overall achievement. Martel's victory might have been more important in the long run, but Napoleon swept across Europe with ease. It's just unfortunate he didn't plan ahead when he attacked Russia.

[Andrew Cory]

Originally posted by Coracle
Why not Napoleon??

Because Firaxis in its tawdriness wanted to "sex up" the game, and be pathetically Politically Correct with all those female leaders.

I changed her to Napoleon months ago. There are sites posted that supply new heads you can download.

Wait! They wanted to be Politicaly Correct _and_ sex up the game?!?! this might be the single stupidest thing you have ever said...

[Andrew Cory]

I think that the leaders are chosen based on upon the fact that they are responsible for "nationalisim". Jean D'Arc helped Unite France. Abe Lincon not only kept america as one country; but was the first president to really _think_ of it as one country; or at least one of the first. Bismark unified Germany, right (even with a Prussian Grandmother, my knowlage of german history is shaky)? Elizebeth is a harder case to make, but she allowed both protestent and Catholic to co-exist, arguably keeping her nation together...

Some of the other leaders seem based more on fame. Without looking it up on the internet, who can name another leader of the Zulu?

[nato]

Just to cast my vote, I prefer Napoleon too. I imagine he is enormously popular with great-ruler-wannabes who would play Civ, so I was surprised when he was replaced.

I think he much better represents what a Civ leader is doing. After all, your civ starts out already united anyway.

Hey, he was even on the back of the Civ1 box!