Napoleon

[Miznia]

I'm torn. Thinking about significance, my preference would probably be Napoleon, followed by de Gaulle (sentimental reasons).

But on the other hand, without Joan for sex value, all we have are Cleo and the Domestic Nag.

...ALL the leaders should be young ladies!

[Willem]

Originally posted by Sava


True, but there are countless decisive battles like that throughout history. I think you need to rank overall achievement. Martel's victory might have been more important in the long run, but Napoleon swept across Europe with ease. It's just unfortunate he didn't plan ahead when he attacked Russia.

That seems to be a trait of European megalomaniacs doesn't it?

[Thrawn05]

Originally posted by Mongoose
Firaxis did not 'insert' the Zulus. They've been in the game since CIV 1, IIRC. At the very least, they were in CIV2.

I only played Civ for the SNES. I didn't bother with Civ1, Civ2 because of the senate. I skipped them for Civ3.

[Cyclotron]

You didn't buy Civ2 simply because of the Senate? That seems like a pretty small gripe to pass up such a good game... why not just go Commie or Fundy?

He's right, though, the Zulus have been in since the beginning. The reason they are a Middle Eastern Civ is not because they were thrown in at the last minute, but because Firaxis didn't want to throw in more random African civs to make another culture set.

[Andrew Cory]

Re: Attacking Russia and not thinking ahead

Originally posted by Willem

That seems to be a trait of European megalomaniacs doesn't it?

Huh? Nelson never attacked Russia...

[nationalist]

We've had this debate a thousand times before.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Andrew Cory
Re: Attacking Russia and not thinking ahead

Huh? Nelson never attacked Russia...

Now how do you equate Nelson with megalomania? He's barely a footnote in European history as I understand it, just another military lackey operating on orders from on high. That's hardly the trait of a megalomaniac, like Napolean and Hitler. Mind you I don't know a great deal about him, but he doesn't really fit my concept of the term.

[Coracle]

Originally posted by Willem


Now how do you equate Nelson with megalomania? He's barely a footnote in European history as I understand it, just another military lackey operating on orders from on high. That's hardly the trait of a megalomaniac, like Napolean and Hitler. Mind you I don't know a great deal about him, but he doesn't really fit my concept of the term.

At that Battle of Copenhagen when the British sneak attacked the Danish fleet, nelson "turned a blind eye" to his commanding admiral's orders because Nelson had other ideas.

Maybe not megalomania, but something.

[Andrew Cory]

Originally posted by Willem


Now how do you equate Nelson with megalomania? He's barely a footnote in European history as I understand it, just another military lackey operating on orders from on high. That's hardly the trait of a megalomaniac, like Napolean and Hitler. Mind you I don't know a great deal about him, but he doesn't really fit my concept of the term.

Well, to be honest, I was just talking out of my butt. The important thing was to mention a _navel_ officer, and one that had a good reputation...

[Zachriel]

Originally posted by Willem
Now how do you equate Nelson with megalomania? He's barely a footnote in European history as I understand it, just another military lackey operating on orders from on high. That's hardly the trait of a megalomaniac, like Napolean and Hitler. Mind you I don't know a great deal about him, but he doesn't really fit my concept of the term.

Nelson was not a megalomaniac. He was a great naval commander, and loyal to the crown. He defeated the French fleet which protected England from invasion by Napoleon. Before the Battle of Trafalgar he said, "England expects that every man will do his duty." When he died victorious he said, "Now I am satisfied. Thank God, I have done my duty.”

[nato]

Ooohhh wouldn't Napoleon be mad if he found out a thread about him got turned into a thread about Nelson!

Heh heh

Now I'm reminded of that quote in the Civ2 scenario ... something like 'wherever wood can float, there I find that flag of England!'

[Zachriel]

Originally posted by nato
Ooohhh wouldn't Napoleon be mad if he found out a thread about him got turned into a thread about Nelson!

Was this supposed to be a picture of Napoleon at Saint Helena? Good likeness.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Akka le Vil
Considering that the french UU is the musketeer, I would have considered Louis XIV the best leader for France.

considering the panzer is the UU for germany, i would have considered Hitler the best leader for germany.

[Akka]

Originally posted by UberKruX


considering the panzer is the UU for germany, i would have considered Hitler the best leader for germany.

He probably would have been provided he was not so politically incorrect.

[Gramphos]

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