PATCH v1.21f bugs and issues.

[TreeWolf]

Originally posted by ACTD_Ran
Yes, apparently many of us have found problems with the governers... Not sure if they'll look into it during this patch, or anything... Just know that this one will be focused upon the editor and also that it'll be out soon.

Yeah, I realize not everything's gonna be fixed all at once, with PTW and the editor stuff getting all the atttention.
But I hope all the normal, routine little things don't get left behind. Like being able to turn things over to the governors when those cities start piling up.

Having fun in the meantime though. Ya know?

[Sheik]

I got a bug. I added an engineer unit to the game that had the abilities of a worker and a settler. I also added an oasis luxury resource that gives 2 food and 1 sheild. Whenever I build a city that is connected to the resource the game crashes. The game also now crashes whenever I build a city connected to a road.

[ACTD_Ran]

There's probably some settings that aren't 'right' in the Mod you made.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Sheik
I got a bug. I added an engineer unit to the game that had the abilities of a worker and a settler. I also added an oasis luxury resource that gives 2 food and 1 sheild. Whenever I build a city that is connected to the resource the game crashes. The game also now crashes whenever I build a city connected to a road.

hi ,

can you post a SAV(e) of your mod , ....

it would help a lot , ...

have a nice day

[eldoktor]

Re: My gripes/problems...

I'd like to see more diplomatic abilities!!!
Such as the ability to be able to cut off things like mutual protection without having to start a war!
From what I know, that is the only way to cut off any of the diplomatic agreements.
Does any 'real civ'['real country'] start wars to cut off diplomatic negoations with any other country? No

-- You can do this. Look at the active agreements and click to bring it up, erase the agreement and it should give you a confirmation box. I may have the details wrong, and I think you have to wait until 20 turns have passed before you can do this. This is also how you can jack up the price on resources.

Another thing along these lines is that I've noticed that some times I wont be able to have access to some of the options in the diplomatic screen. Like I wont be given the option to make any type of diplomatic agreements with some civ's even though 'we' aren't at war with each other and technoclically they're about equal or greater than I am... And on top of that... I had previously made agreements with them... Is that a bug or are there certian things I've missed that could cause this during a game?

-- There's probably something else going on. Perhaps a war you didn't notice, or a pre-requisite (some agreements require certain techs). Wars wipe out previous agreements.

I

'd also like to make some of the 'offensive' remarks to the AI's just like they do to me! lol

-- Just make up your own phrasing for the demands! "Get out of my territory or declare war" is pretty offensive, and so is "Give me this or we'll kill you" .

Science citizens in the city shouldn't make citizens unhappy!!!
They're expanding the science/growth/culture of the city, eventually improving the citizens way of life and therefore shouldn't make them unhappy! Maybe they shouldn't change the other citizens current status at all, unless by switching them over makes the food production drop below the requirement of 2 per population

-- They don't make people unhappy, per se, but they stop being entertainers.

I've also noticed that many times the AI will capture workers, but I wont be able to recapture them Did the AI kill them? If that's true... Then how come I can't kill their workers instead of capturing them just like they seemingly do?

-- They're probably just disbanding them or putting them into cities.

Another thing that I really don't like is that I HAVE to closely monitor the work my citizens are doing in each city in order to maximize my production of what ever[ie: at times I'll want growth so I'll maximize food production, etc.]

-- Ahh, micromanagement. Figure out the governors if you don't want to do it yourself. I'd offer suggestions, but I picked "do it myself". The governor system is pretty complex and I get perverse enjoyment from micromanagement (must be the German blood).

I'd like to know that because there are many times where I can't produce much in any given city square... I wonder if there's a benifit to having scientest as apposed to working for one shield or one food or such. In the begining and middle game... This can be critical!

Usually, you want to keep them working the land. They make food and shields that way. Previous versions had a better return for specialists.

[lorddread]

Originally posted by panag
RES NON VERBA - DE OPRESSO LIBER - VERITAS ET LIBERTAS - O TOLMON NIKA

Res Non Verba - De Opresso Liber - Veritas Et Libertas
Deeds not words - freedom for the oppressed- integrity and freedom

The first is used often in American society "You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk" is a derivitive of this phrase.

The second phrase is the motto for the US Green Berets.

I'm not sure where you are going with the third part.

Can I assume that these 3 phrases are attributed to O Tolman Nika?

by the way, did you decipher the phrase I posted?

[playshogi]

In the game I'm playing now, I have several cities with 1 happy citizen and nothing in the luxury box. There are no entertainers and the luxury slider bar is zero. This happened all of a sudden when the Persians surprise attacked me and I declined to renew a luxury trade deal with the Chinese. Don't know why this should have an effect, but I can't explain these extra happy faces in oversea cities not connected by harbors or airports. Any ideas? I have saved games before and after if anyone wants to see them.

[lorddread]

yes please

Originally posted by playshogi
In the game I'm playing now, I have several cities with 1 happy citizen and nothing in the luxury box. There are no entertainers and the luxury slider bar is zero. This happened all of a sudden when the Persians surprise attacked me and I declined to renew a luxury trade deal with the Chinese. Don't know why this should have an effect, but I can't explain these extra happy faces in oversea cities not connected by harbors or airports. Any ideas? I have saved games before and after if anyone wants to see them.

[eldoktor]

Originally posted by playshogi
In the game I'm playing now, I have several cities with 1 happy citizen and nothing in the luxury box. There are no entertainers and the luxury slider bar is zero. This happened all of a sudden when the Persians surprise attacked me and I declined to renew a luxury trade deal with the Chinese. Don't know why this should have an effect, but I can't explain these extra happy faces in oversea cities not connected by harbors or airports. Any ideas? I have saved games before and after if anyone wants to see them.

This is the upside of war weariness! Your people are rallying to the national cause in response to the surprise attack.

[playshogi]

You're right! It's in the manual, too. (Who reads that?) I was playing in Republic mode and after the war ended so did my extra happy faces.

[Panag]

Originally posted by lorddread


Res Non Verba - De Opresso Liber - Veritas Et Libertas
Deeds not words - freedom for the oppressed- integrity and freedom

The first is used often in American society "You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk" is a derivitive of this phrase.

The second phrase is the motto for the US Green Berets.

I'm not sure where you are going with the third part.

Can I assume that these 3 phrases are attributed to O Tolman Nika?

by the way, did you decipher the phrase I posted?

hi ,

you are close , but not all the way , .....

topic ; the manual was printed with the strategy guide , a long way before the game came out , ......

have a nice day

[lorddread]

Latin for Dummies

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

you are close , but not all the way , .....

topic ; the manual was printed with the strategy guide , a long way before the game came out , ......

have a nice day

So what does it mean? And how was the author?

[Panag]

Re: Latin for Dummies

Originally posted by lorddread


So what does it mean? And how was the author?

hi ,

1 , not words but deeds , 2 free the oppressed , 3 thruth and freedom , 4 Greek - "who dares wins"

who as used them , well , look on the net , .....

"author" , ....

, the book , well , ahem , they should have turned to Apolyton for the writing , and they should have looked here for "strategy" , ....

its best place for the moment is with the pile of paper that awaits "recycling" , .......

have a nice day

[lorddread]

Latin for Dummies

Originally posted by panag

hi ,
1 , not words but deeds , 2 free the oppressed , 3 thruth and freedom , 4 Greek - "who dares wins"
who as used them , well , look on the net , .....
"author" , ....

I thought the last part was the author's name.

I cannot find any one person who is attributed to all 4 phrases. res, non verba seems to be attributed to Ceaser, but he the 4th phrase is in Greek, which would never have been something Ceaser would say. Several Roman Emperors were fond of Greek.

The author has stumped me. Congrats.

[Panag]

Re: Latin for Dummies

Originally posted by lorddread


I thought the last part was the author's name.

I cannot find any one person who is attributed to all 4 phrases. res, non verba seems to be attributed to Ceaser, but he the 4th phrase is in Greek, which would never have been something Ceaser would say. Several Roman Emperors were fond of Greek.

The author has stumped me. Congrats.

hi ,

the author of the civ3 books , or the author of the words , ...

well , not all great person's in history where Roman , ....
and yes the Romans did use it , it was on the shield of a small 2000 man force , ....

topic ;

there are more bugs , but not all the people post them here , maybe we should keep it all in one thread , ...

there are some problems with the advisor screen's , but when you reload it seems to be gone , ....anyone else , ...

so , what about the "captured worker" bug in the city screen , ....

have a nice day