PATCH v1.21f bugs and issues.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Willem


I think it's just fine as it is frankly. If an Expansionist civ could get free techs in more than the ancient era, it would be so far ahead of all the rest, the other civs wouldn't stand a chance.

hi ,

okay , tech up to second era , units , once in a while , ....

have a nice day

[Willem]

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

okay , tech up to second era , units , once in a while , ....

have a nice day

Even still, that would be way to much of an advantage. I always play Expansionist civs, Americans to be precise, and I'm usually far ahead by the time I reach the Middle Ages. Only then do the other civs start catching up. If I recieved techs in the Middle Ages as well, the game would no longer be a challenge, since I'd be so far ahead. I'd have Rifleman and Cavalry on the field, when the rest of the civs were just starting to get Pikemen and Knights. I'd easily be one era ahead of any civ that wasn't Expansionist as well.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Willem


Even still, that would be way to much of an advantage. I always play Expansionist civs, Americans to be precise, and I'm usually far ahead by the time I reach the Middle Ages. Only then do the other civs start catching up. If I recieved techs in the Middle Ages as well, the game would no longer be a challenge, since I'd be so far ahead. I'd have Rifleman and Cavalry on the field, when the rest of the civs were just starting to get Pikemen and Knights. I'd easily be one era ahead of any civ that wasn't Expansionist as well.

hi ,

Willem , on what level , and on what default level for the AI , .....

have a nice day

[Willem]

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

Willem , on what level , and on what default level for the AI , .....

have a nice day

Well I always play on Regent, so that's what I'm basing my projections on. As American, I'm usually 4-6 techs ahead of any non-expansionist civ by the time I hit the Middle Ages. So it would be about double that if I were allowed to get them in Middle Ages as well. Which pretty much puts me into the Industrial Era just after the rest make it to the Middle Ages.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Willem


Well I always play on Regent, so that's what I'm basing my projections on. As American, I'm usually 4-6 techs ahead of any non-expansionist civ by the time I hit the Middle Ages. So it would be about double that if I were allowed to get them in Middle Ages as well. Which pretty much puts me into the Industrial Era just after the rest make it to the Middle Ages.

hi ,

same , only barbarian units are rifleman , advanced ; infantry and sea unit destroyer , ....

AI default level ; deity , ...

have a nice day / night

[candidgamera]

Appologies in advance if this has been asked and discussed at length but:

Per Willem have found the expansionist civs so much of an advantage that I've changed the mod I play with to turn it off for the civs I'm playing with, the free techs gotten just put you so far ahead. However, when first trying without expansionist, as Americans, looks like it might be hard coded no matter what you do in the editor: Am still getting no barbs, just workers, warriors, money, and lots of tech. Going back in to turn the tech rate down now to start over, see if that helps. Also don't play with scouts now either, convinced they are like magic on their own for getting results from huts, even if you editor them to availability to non expansionist. I juiced up the warrior to all terrain as roads to help out on early exploration, big worlds.

Playing: 5 civs: Russians, Germans, Americans, England, Japan. on regent. world size 230 wide x 210 tall.

Is this a known glitch, short answer will suffice?

[Panag]

Originally posted by candidgamera
Appologies in advance if this has been asked and discussed at length but:

Per Willem have found the expansionist civs so much of an advantage that I've changed the mod I play with to turn it off for the civs I'm playing with, the free techs gotten just put you so far ahead. However, when first trying without expansionist, as Americans, looks like it might be hard coded no matter what you do in the editor: Am still getting no barbs, just workers, warriors, money, and lots of tech. Going back in to turn the tech rate down now to start over, see if that helps. Also don't play with scouts now either, convinced they are like magic on their own for getting results from huts, even if you editor them to availability to non expansionist. I juiced up the warrior to all terrain as roads to help out on early exploration, big worlds.

Playing: 5 civs: Russians, Germans, Americans, England, Japan. on regent. world size 230 wide x 210 tall.

Is this a known glitch, short answer will suffice?

hi ,

no barbs , .....

have a nice day

[candidgamera]

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

no barbs , .....

have a nice day

set on restless, and no barbs after at least 6-10 huts, just good stuff.

[Willem]

Originally posted by candidgamera
Appologies in advance if this has been asked and discussed at length but:

Per Willem have found the expansionist civs so much of an advantage that I've changed the mod I play with to turn it off for the civs I'm playing with, the free techs gotten just put you so far ahead. However, when first trying without expansionist, as Americans, looks like it might be hard coded no matter what you do in the editor: Am still getting no barbs, just workers, warriors, money, and lots of tech. Going back in to turn the tech rate down now to start over, see if that helps. Also don't play with scouts now either, convinced they are like magic on their own for getting results from huts, even if you editor them to availability to non expansionist. I juiced up the warrior to all terrain as roads to help out on early exploration, big worlds.

Playing: 5 civs: Russians, Germans, Americans, England, Japan. on regent. world size 230 wide x 210 tall.

Is this a known glitch, short answer will suffice?

It sounds like just using Scouts themselves are what gives the Expansionist it's advantages. Someone else pointed that out as well.

As far as getting free techs being a huge advantage, keep in mind that it's only good for the first era. All it does basically is counter the AI tech trading. By the time I get to the Middle Ages, the other civs catch up to me, sometimes even pass me. Getting those free techs just gives me a head start towards getting Pikeman and Knights. It doesn't do much else after that.

[Panag]

Originally posted by candidgamera


set on restless, and no barbs after at least 6-10 huts, just good stuff.

hi ,

have you seen any at all , ....
what is your barb setting , ...

have a nice day

[candidgamera]

per above, last post: restless am pretty sure, certainly not none.

[Panag]

Originally posted by candidgamera
per above, last post: restless am pretty sure, certainly not none.

hi ,

maybe its to early , ....

however there have been people who saw no barbs for a 1000 years , .......

have a nice day

[Mad_Hatter13x]

Spontaneous Revolt!?!

This has happened before, and It might just be part of the game, but it still isn't cool (Pisses me off). I am a democracy, practically all of my citizens are happy, but all of a sudden, my civ went into anarchy without me doing so. I have been at war for a long time, i think that that might be why? Why does this happen (I don't know the outcome gov't yet)

Mad Hatter

[candidgamera]

Re: Spontaneous Revolt!?!

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter13x
This has happened before, and It might just be part of the game, but it still isn't cool (Pisses me off). I am a democracy, practically all of my citizens are happy, but all of a sudden, my civ went into anarchy without me doing so. I have been at war for a long time, i think that that might be why? Why does this happen (I don't know the outcome gov't yet)

Mad Hatter

Think that unhappy democracy still works like civ2 - a chance of revolt with unhappy cities. Sounds like you suffered from catastrophic war weariness - even with all the wonders for happiness and 8 luxuries have had cities go unhappy on their own after a period of war of say 10 turns in late game.

panang: started another one, same thing happening, getting barbarians now, but only from spontaneous encampments, never from huts. Have to try out the other non-expansionist civs to be sure. I am playing with steriod civs: Americans have industrious, commercial, and scientific. Can't see how that affects hut behavior though.

[Willem]

Re: Spontaneous Revolt!?!

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter13x
This has happened before, and It might just be part of the game, but it still isn't cool (Pisses me off). I am a democracy, practically all of my citizens are happy, but all of a sudden, my civ went into anarchy without me doing so. I have been at war for a long time, i think that that might be why? Why does this happen (I don't know the outcome gov't yet)

Mad Hatter

I'm guessing you're allowing your Governor to control the cities' moods. Not a bad idea if you're at war with a Democracy, but it can backfire, as you've obviously noticed. Although you're citizens appear to be happy, it's only because your Governor has been making more and more Entertainers. The War Weariness is still building up, and at a certain point, there's nothing you can do about it, short of making peace or having a revolt on your hands.

It's a good idea to check up on your cities from time to time. to see how the Governors are doing. It's even possible that they may have created so many Entertainers that your people can starve. If you see that things are getting really bad, then raise your Luxury rates. That will buy you a little more time. Not a lot, but maybe enough to end the war.