I challenge you to find...

[Expatriate]

Originally posted by yin26
Europa Universalis.

Here's another. Space Empires 4. Also widely and publically supported by its developers.

And then we have Poly. Gee...

Gee, I wonder why the EU2 forums are so clean.....

Could it be because they are on the publishers own site and moderated by the very employees responsible for the game?

Here is a little copy of a post by the moderator:

"There is a thread in the FAQ Forum that gives a general guidline to posting
Please take the time and trouble to read it. Please bear it in mind when posting.
The Forum is for the enjoyment of all and not just a few - please treat it as such and do not spoil it for anyone else.
We have lost a few transgressors in the last few days. They would not listen to reason and have now departed these Forums with abuse reports sent to their ISPs to help them on their way.
Now lets get back to normal - lol, whatever normal is! "

So they are banning people and reporting them to their ISPs for "abuse". Maybe everything isnt so happy in "happyland" after all?

Space Empires4 forums are coincidentaly also hosted by the publisher! I am starting to see a pattern here.....

[Havard]

Gee, I wonder why the EU2 forums are so clean.....

Could it be because they are on the publishers own site and moderated by the very employees responsible for the game?

FYI allmost all of the moderators at the EUs forums are fans (like me). I have no other bound to Paradox than the fact that I like the EU games. For the EU2 forums I believe only the wish-list forum is moderated by Paradox emplyees...

[Qilue]

Harvard

So unless you toe the company line and only post nice things about the game, you get banned and reported for 'abuse' by the chief asskissers...er moderators, is that correct?

[Expatriate]

Allow me to quote the moderator from the EU2 boards again:

"There is a thread in the FAQ Forum that gives a general guidline to posting
Please take the time and trouble to read it. Please bear it in mind when posting.
The Forum is for the enjoyment of all and not just a few - please treat it as such and do not spoil it for anyone else.
We have lost a few transgressors in the last few days. They would not listen to reason and have now departed these Forums with abuse reports sent to their ISPs to help them on their way.
Now lets get back to normal - lol, whatever normal is! "

Its very unusual to need to ban several users and report them to their ISP in just a few days. I dont know of any other boards that report to the users ISP's as a standard procedure, and very few boards need to kick several users in a few days.

Ok, so I was wrong about the moderators being employees working on EU2. But they were still picked by the publisher and cant really be considered impartial.

Conclusion: The EU2 boards would have just as much whining as we see here if they allowed it. And meanwhile, I am still waiting for that utopian online game community where the "fans" dont whine even though they are allowed to do so.

[Qilue]

The Planet Baldus Gate forums are almost utopian.

'Almost' because whining does occur and flame wars can erupt, although those are usually put out once the mods had decided enough was enough. But such things are generally kept confined to a single thread.

[Havard]

Qilue:

So unless you toe the company line and only post nice things about the game, you get banned and reported for 'abuse' by the chief asskissers...er moderators, is that correct?

You are perfectly welcome to post constructive criticism. (and maybe a little whining too ). Noone is getting banned for criticising the game (where did you get that idea?)

Expatriate:

Its very unusual to need to ban several users and report them to their ISP in just a few days. I dont know of any other boards that report to the users ISP's as a standard procedure, and very few boards need to kick several users in a few days.

It is not "standard procedure" to report users to their ISPs. This might be done e.g. in the same cases where you would send abuse-reports on usenet i.e. serious spamming, racist postings etc. Are these things allowed here?

Ok, so I was wrong about the moderators being employees working on EU2. But they were still picked by the publisher and cant really be considered impartial.

I just wanted to comment on the fact that your original message had the facts wrong. I don't say I don't like the game - after all I spend some time on the forum... This does not mean that I like everything they do or have done to EU2. Thankfully Paradox are very good listeners when it come to suggestions from the fans

Conclusion: The EU2 boards would have just as much whining as we see here if they allowed it. And meanwhile, I am still waiting for that utopian online game community where the "fans" dont whine even though they are allowed to do so.

Whining is still allowed, but most people get tired after a while, and the ones that like the game stay. If not you move on...

I'm not saying the forum is perfect, but most of the members claim it to be a nice and friendly forum, and hence they tend to stay...

[zoyd]

Meeting expectations...


No game can live up to the hype created by the fans themselves.

Uh, look at GTA3. Surpassed all hype.

[yin26]

Conclusion: The EU2 boards would have just as much whining as we see here if they allowed it.

What a silly statement. When the last patch came out with all kinds of problems, you'd better believe there was a lot of whining. Were any of those people banned? NO.

But the whining quickly stopped. How? The developers themselves made a very public apology and asked people to stick it out with them until they got the problems resolved.

Gee, am I seeing a pattern in what Firaxis is NOT doing? This is a whining infested board and Civ3 is a bug infested game because of Firaxis itself. End of Story. Period.

[CharlesUFarley]

Originally posted by ****gyRA
It's just normal human psychology for people to jump on the bandwagon, especially if it is something negative. You see a lot of that here and in other forums. Your point is well taken.



BTW Yolky, it's not hype, it's marketing. I believe they delivered on all their promises.

Your absolutely right Sh_RA, the fans actually having (oh god) reasons for hating the game thats rediculous! And IMO they did not deliver, but I guess it takes more to impress me than it does you.

Charles.

[Ironikinit]

You keep saying that people who like Civ III are easily impressed, Charles. That's annoying, especially coming from someone who doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're" and can't spell "ridiculous". You're not so smart, give it up.

[prince_aki]

EVERY ensemble board of the heaven games network. Check out www.ageofkings.com. Also, see Empire Earth(not ensemble) and AOM boards.

[Libertarian]

You keep saying that people who like Civ III are easily impressed, Charles. That's annoying, especially coming from someone who doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're" and can't spell "ridiculous". You're not so smart, give it up.

Non sequitur.

[CharlesUFarley]

Originally posted by Ironikinit
You keep saying that people who like Civ III are easily impressed, Charles. That's annoying, especially coming from someone who doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're" and can't spell "ridiculous". You're not so smart, give it up.

Well it may impress you mr IronKnitter but it sure doesn't impress me, clearly that could mean only one thing in the realm of common sense - easily impressed. And you and my 8th grade english teacher should get together, you both have so much in common, although your mouth is wider than your eyes I'm sure it would do her some good, I hope you like older women.

PS. Next time, make some sense or a point that bares meaning to the subject rather than mouthing off like a 8th grade teenager and revealing yourself as a little detracting fanboy troll. OR fine something more productive to do with your time rather than burn it by attempting to look "intelligent" but in the end looking really stupid - your just like the rest of them.

" NEXT "

Charles.

[Immortal Wombat]

Would there be less whining if this forum was run by Firaxis? Both Yin's links were the games developer's sites.
I challenge you to find a fansite...

[not that I really give a damn either way, you all make me laugh]

[ACooper]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Would there be less whining if this forum was run by Firaxis? Both Yin's links were the games developer's sites.
I challenge you to find a fansite...

[not that I really give a damn either way, you all make me laugh]

I.W.s point is well taken.