Announcement

**TechWins** · December 17, 2001, 04:03

10-13-82*) If a resource is going to exhaust in year x, then a warning that the resource is going to exhaust in year x should occur in year “x – 5 turns”, however, this should be made a preference.
10-14-83***) When ordering to destroy a mine with Worker 1 on tile x no more pop-ups should come up asking if you are sure once you reach Worker 2 on tile x. Meaning that a Worker decides to irrigate on a mine, so a pop-up appears asking if he/she is sure they want to do this, a different Worker on that same tile decides to irrigate on a mine that Worker shouldn’t be asked if it is sure that they want to do this.

Improvements and Wonders
11-1-84***) Include a modern coastal fortress, along with the regular coastal fortress, that way it would be possible to attack modern naval units with the fortress. If a modern coastal fortress isn’t to be added, then increase the power for coastal fortress, that way they will be more effective. Possible ways to increase the power of coastal fortresses are to increase the bombard value, increase the range to 2, and when the coastal fortress is bombarded it can bombard right back.
11-2-85*) A certain wonder, perhaps Apollo, should reveal the whole map, such as this occurred in Civ2.

Other
12-1-86$) Quite a stretch with this one, but including PBEM and Hotseat multiplayer would be very nice.
12-2-87*****) Reduce late game tedium; incorporating some of the ideas/changes mentioned could possibly do just that.
12-3-88***) Improve the model for Diplomatic Victory. Each Civ is allocated a certain number of vote points, which is determined by population and culture. In order to win you should need 2/3 votes. Basically make the model something similar to how SMAC ran the model.
12-4-89***) When your capitol is overtaken civil war should have a chance of occurrence, corruption should run rampant, and the Palace of a capitol should have to be rebuilt and not automatically relocated for free.
12-5-90**) Include a very small random chance of a colony turning into a city. This would increase the importance of colonies, while also making colonies more realistic. Many times colonies turned into cities; United States are an example of that.
12-6-91**) Even after when the spaceship is built it should not automatically launch, yet allow for the user to do it himself/herself, because some may want to wait a few turns to launch the spaceship after its completion.
12-7-92***) Include a spy missions of sabotaging spaceship production, planting nuclear device, and planting a disease, and also make spy missions less expensive.
12-8-93*) Instead of having to delete the whole High Scores file to delete game high scores allow for each game high score to be deleted manually and also have an option of deleting the whole High Scores file.
12-9-94***) Decrease the occurrences of pollution, as well as, include an option to completely turn off pollution in the game.
12-10-95*****) Continue to solve the overabundance of corruption problem. Possible solutions for correcting the corruption problem: City improvements that reduce corruption should have a greater effect on the reduction of corruption. Certain government types, such as Democracy, should provide more reduction of corruption. Include a modern Forbidden Palace along with the already in place Forbidden Palace, and make the Forbidden Palace have a cheaper shield cost.
12-11-96**) Add more terrain types and terrain bonuses, terrain types such as glacier and swamp and terrain bonuses such as ‘Jungle Bananas’, ‘Swamp Peat’, and ‘Desert Oasis’. As of now without these terrain bonuses, your starting location plays an even bigger role in determining your success in a game. Also, when a terrain changes, either through deforestation or global warming, the resource on that terrain should disappear and reappear else where.
12-12-97****) The capabilities of being to expand great amounts is a severe problem. There should be some other type of penalty rather than just corruption. Each era of the game (i.e. Ancient, Middle Ages, Industrial, & Modern) should have a semi-hard cap on the number of cities a Civ can have. Each era will allow a certain number of cities, with the Ancient Times allowing 12 cities, Middle Ages allowing 24 cities, Industrial Age allowing 42 cities, and the Modern Age allowing 66 cities. The amount allocated to each era will also provide more reality to expansion, in that a lot of expansion didn’t take place until later times. Now, the reason why it should only be considered a semi-hard cap is because you can always build as many cities as you would like, however, once you get past the semi-hard cap you will experience repercussions. For example, a Civ has 12 cities in the Ancient Times and goes to build its 13th city. That 13th city will experience severe unhappiness in that city, plus, the rest of the cities will see the after effects of that severe unhappiness and gain a little (not as much as the 13th city) unhappiness of their own. This same Civ goes to build its 14th city, that 14th city will, also, experience tremendous unhappiness, and the rest of the cities will (including the 13th city) gain a little more unhappiness. Once that Civ reaches the Middle Ages the unhappiness cause by over expansion will decease completely, (if) until that Civ over expands again (exceeds semi-hard cap for expansion).
12-13-98*) When randomly generating a map there should be an option asking you how much abundance you would like for rivers.
12-14-99***) There needs to be some form of Airbases in the game, such as there was in Civ2. Also, a colony when built should act as an Airbase.
12-15-100***) Zone of Control and fortresses should function as they did in Civ2. Having ZOC act that way will help prevent the AI from entering your borders.
12-16-101**) When right-clicking to see “Terrain Info” the improvements made to the land should be verified in the list. It is very hard to see if a piece of land has been mined or not when a resource is covering that tile. That’s why when you go into “Terrain Info” it should list all of the improvements done to the land, what the land is, what (if any) resources are on the land, and what the value (food/shields/trade) of the land is.
12-17-102***) Global warming should come from both the pollution level and the amount of forest/jungle that covers the earth. This will provide more reality in that deforestation is a very harmful act on the environment, as well as, discouraging people from deforesting so that they would be able to mine grassland instead. Ultimately this will help prevent a lot of micromanagement.

Technology Tree
13-1-103***) Having to complete most of the technologies in era really decreases a lot of strategy within the tech tree. Not to mention it doesn’t provide much separation between Civs. The proposal for this is to include less era-advancing requirement techs and to allow certain techs in advanced era to be researched even before the proper requirements to advance into that era has been made. For example, if you were in the Ancient age and you still hadn’t researched all of the required advancement technologies you could still go research Monotheism or Engineering, as long as their requirements (Construction, Polytheism) were discovered already.
13-2-104*) The discovery of Satellite should make the whole map completely revealed (even if a wonder like Apollo reveals the whole map), not to mention it should continuously update your map.
13-3-105**) The Aircraft Carrier should come at a later time in the tech tree compared to airplanes. What do you need an Aircraft Carrier for if there aren’t even any airplanes to put in it?

Units
14-1-106*****) INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO GROUP A STACK OF UNITS TOGETHER!!! This would prevent tedious clicking by not having to move each unit individually. The movement of the stack would be as fast as the slowest unit and each unit would still fight individually.
14-2-107***) Settlers should not be able to be created from foreign nationals, because there are many ‘cheap’ strategies that go along with it. If foreign nationals are taken away from the city population when a settler is built, then the settler should be a foreign national. If nationals are taken away from the city population when a settler is built, then the settler should be a national.
14-3-108**) Scouts should have a movement rate of 1 and should see all terrain as road. Explorers should have a movement rate of 2 and should see all terrain as road. Explorers, also, should become available with Map Making, because Explorers become far too worthless by the time Navigation is researched, since most of the map has been discovered by that time already.
14-4-109***) Allow for bombing from airplanes to sink ships, but certain ships should be given greater resistance to the bombing.
14-5-110**) Unique units should be allowed to upgrade to more advanced units, but it should not be possible to upgrade to a unique unit.
14-6-111**) All Civs should be able to build all regular units, even if a Civ has the unique unit for a regular unit. For instance, the Chinese may have the Rider available for building, so the Knight should also be available for constructing.
14-7-112***) Older infantry, such as Swordsmen, should be upgradeable to Riflemen. Basically try to allow as much upgrading as possible, so that “old” units aren’t running around in modern times.
14-8-113$) Give the ability to change the name of a unit. If one has a special unit (i.e. won a big war….all by itself) he/she might want to signify that unit by giving it a special name.
14-9-114**) When Privateers win a battle against another ship there should be a chance that the Privateer gets a small amount of gold.
14-10-115$) Add the unit Alpine Troop; it would be like a Marine but instead used for mountain warfare.
14-11-116*) Musketmen are far too cost ineffective, since you can build 2 Pikemen for the cost of 1 Musketmen. Either, lower the cost of Musketmen or give Musketmen an attack of 3.
14-12-117**) Tanks and Mech. Infantry should be considered wheeled, simply for the cause of adding more strategy.
14-13-118***) Armies should not be allowed to unload the units in them, yet, the units that are in an Army should be upgradeable. This will allow for obsolete units Armies to become more advanced and not allow unit swapping in Armies.
14-14-119***) Paratroopers and Helicopters should be allowed to be loaded onto an Aircraft Carrier.
14-15-120***) Cruise Missiles should be able to be launched from ships, and the range of a Cruise Missile needs to be increased.
14-16-121****) When precision bombing you should be allowed to select the target, otherwise, it is fairly useless.

Editor Ideas and Changes

15-1-122*****) Making it possible to add items, such as units/Civs/terrain/technologies.
15-2-123****) Make all flags available for city improvements also available to wonders and small wonders. As well as, all flags that are available to small wonders should be available to city improvements and wonders, and all flags that are available to wonders should be available to city improvements and small wonders. That way it is possible to create a small wonder that gives +1 trade to all city squares and other matches.
15-3-124***) An option to where a certain form of government CAN’T build a specific building, wonder, small wonder, or unit.
15-4-125**) An option where certain buildings, wonders, or small wonders can be set as a requirement for building a unit.
15-5-126*****) Make it possible for Civ-specific starting locations when creating a map.
15-6-127***) Allow for advanced era technologies to have a prerequisite of an older era technology, and so the older era doesn’t have to be a required tech to advance in order to move on to the next era of technologies or moved to the advanced era. An example of this would be as follows: Feudalism should have a prerequisite of Monarchy, but in order to do that Monarchy would either have to be put in the Middle Ages era or make it become a required tech to advance to the Middle Ages, which isn’t the same thing as a perquisite for one single technology. Overall, just make technology tree editing more flexible.
15-7-128*) Give opportunities for changing the effects of Nuclear Bombs.
15-8-129**) Decide what units can be destroyed from bombing. An example of this would be to have submarines not destroyable by bombing, but to have battleships destroyable by bombing.
15-9-130***) Include more options for units available to the Barbarians instead of just 2 land options and 1 sea option. Actually, just include more customization for Barbarians, such as tribe names and their available units.
15-10-131***) An option that will allow units to have a restrictive number of how many can be built, such as how this is done with Armies, except give greater flexibility within the option.
15-11-132***) Decease of the cap that only allows 8 range for air units and air drops.
15-12-133**) Allow for more terrain improvements (mines, irrigation, etc…) to be built and for bonuses to be assigned to them.
15-13-134**) Technologies should be given some of the options city improvements/wonders/small wonders posses. For example, one might want to make the discovery of Communications reduce corruption or have Education increase scientific output.
15-14-135**) Include an option for governments that will allow you to select “no corruption at all”.
15-15-136***) Allow for Civ-specific and government-specific improvements/wonders to be created.
15-16-137***) Give a flag that will you to set the chance a unit will have of killing another unit when it bombards.
15-17-138****) Extensive scenario-creating/editing abilities should be implemented, such items as ‘triggers’, year setting, diplomatic mood changing, and a ‘cheat menu’.
15-18-139***) Allow for setting which terrain wheeled units can’t move over.
15-19-140*****) Allow for determining which terrain a settler can build a city on.

**TechWins** · December 17, 2001, 04:07

The Reference Post, as of now, represents all the ideas from the original/old thread. I will try to update the list to its fullest by Wednesday, because I will be gone (visiting my friend in Michigan) for a week come Wednesday.

For those of you wondering why your idea may have not been put in the list, it is most likely because of one of these three reasons:

1) I felt that the idea was far too outlandish, and Firaxis would never implement the idea, so it wouldn't be worthwhile to show the idea in the list.

2) I couldn't quite understand what you were trying to explain in your idea. I will always try to make an attempt to fully understand an idea, but sometimes it is rather difficult.

3) I felt that the idea would bring any improvement upon the game, or even the idea might detract from the game. An example of an idea I have/will not include in the list is terraforming. Terraforming is not only unrealistic, but it, also, adds more micromanagement, which is something I think there already is too much of.

The reason why I disbanded the Bugs and Fixes section is because there already is an extensive list concerning bugs headed by Korn.

**TechWins** · December 17, 2001, 04:07

More Space

**TechWins** · December 17, 2001, 04:08

Even More Space Just To be Safe

**Marko Polo** · December 17, 2001, 09:56

General idea: Domestic advisor

1. Prioritize the Domestic Advisor messages so that "the city is unhappy" comes ALWAYS first, then "City is now growing because it needs aqueduct/hospitaly" and so on.

2. When Domestic Advisor tells me that "Veii is unhappy" make the city name hyperlink to the city screen. As "Veii is unhappy".

3. Make it available to sort the cities alphabetically. Now it's very hard to find a particulal city because the default order is when those cities have been founded.

4. Change the column "happy/content" to include also # of unhappy people.

5. Implement a button to sort cities by the "mood" of the city. So rioting cities comes first continued with those unhappy cities which will riot next turn.

**comstar70** · December 17, 2001, 10:27

So often "ala Civ2" in your post! Why aren't you play Civ2 any longer? It would be easier to play Civ2 again, than to wait until all of the things you mentioned are patched

4-5-25: you can access the Civilopedia by double- (or right-) click on the thing you want to build.

**sianews** · December 17, 2001, 10:45

From Firaxis you'd be lucky to get that in a $50 expansion kit, but never a patch.

**comstar70** · December 17, 2001, 10:48

You can have it for $10! Buy Civ2

**Disgracian** · December 17, 2001, 11:49

General Gameplay

Combat/Military Units
Submarines need fixing. There are different ways to achieve this:[list=1][*]Make Submarines impervious to ships that cannot see them. Reduce Submarine's Attack/Defense rating accordingly, so they are fairly easy prey for Destroyers, if found. Destroyers are now needed to escort Transports, Battleships, Carriers and AEGIS Cruisers. If at all possible, ships that cannot see Submarines should be able to pass over them when not at war.[*]Or, more simply, ships that cannot see Submarines suffer an Attack/Defense penalty against them. Something like -50%, maybe -75%.[/list=1]

Stacking would be nice. Not to be confused with Armies, stacked units would still attack and defend independently, and not as a group.

Waypoints are also a nice idea/ Program patrol waypoints for units. Especially useful for enabling your navy to patrol coastlines.

Why not have Navies? They function just like Armies, only they apply to naval units instead. Maybe increase the limit to 6 instead of 4? That would provide a Carrier or Battleship with plenty of anti-submarine and anti-air support.

Fighter escort for bombing missions. This would take the form of a new "mission", like Air Superiority or Recon. Fighters assigned to "Escort" would accompany Bombers to their maximum operational range only. Long-range bombing missions would be risky, due to lack of fighter support.

Anti aircraft measures. Modern infantry carry their own anti-aircraft missiles and should have some defense against aerial bombardment, at least from fighters. Bombers could be ticked with a "high altitude" attribute that allows them to bomb with impunity except against dedicated AA weapons. Also, a mobile anti-aircraft unit would be nice, like the Soviet ZSU. Give it an attribute kind of like "Air Superiority", in which it exerts a sphere of influence, say, a 2-square range.

Introduce the concept of Radar. Either as a technology that automatically imparts its benefits when researched, or as a city improvement. This technology drastically increases the likelihood of intercepting enemy bombers. Possibly do away with SAM Battery as a result? Or maybe combine Radar with SAM Battery?

More terrain influence. The defensive bonuses of dense or rough terrain (jungle, forest, hills, mountains, etc.) should only apply to footsoldiers and not armoured units (Tanks & Mech Infantry). The same applies to Towns, Cities & Metropolises (sorry, I don't know the plural for metropolis). Tanks and APCs rule the open ground, and are needed to clear a path to the enemies cities, but that is largely the end of their usefulness.

Perhaps a bonus for units attacking from hills/mountains onto lower ground (grassland/plains/desert/etc.) to emphasise the importance of high ground?

Also, units fortified in jungles/forests would be "concealed", and may not show up on the map for the enemy. If an enemy unit stumbles into a concealed unit when at war, an "ambush" occurs, and the enemy unit is damaged - or even destroyed - before combat begins. More experienced units would be better at setting up and detecting ambushes. Another reason to build Sun Tzu's Academy.

Some air unit related matters. A jet-powered Bomber to accompany the Jet Fighter. A nice graphic of a Soviet Backfire would be splendid. These new Bombers, like their real life counterparts, can carry multiple Cruise Missiles, extending their operational range most significantly.

Also, Carriers should not be able to carry Bombers, as they require immensly long runways - longer than any carrier - and, for that matter, are too large to be stored on or below the flight deck. Only Fighters, Jet Fighters and Stealth Fighters.

Maybe include an Orion reconnaisance aircraft? Longer range than the Fighter, can see a larger area, and can also see, and engage, Submarines.

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It's late and I'm tired. I may come back to add to this post if I think of any more ideas.

**bahoo** · December 19, 2001, 14:22

Combat and War Weariness

War weariness should be tied to your level of civilian killing. If you use precision bombing and avoid bombarding and killing citizens, your own citizens should become less displeased. Whereas, if you fire ICBMs and wipe out immense populations and raze cities they should become very unhappy. As it is now, it seems to war weariness is more tied to how long you are at war, not how ruthless you are about it.

**Ozymandous** · December 19, 2001, 16:30

General Gameplay

Diplomacy Addition

1. To be able to see what a foreign Civ is researching once you have established an embassy.

2. To be able to ask a foreign Civ to cease an embargo against you before the 20 turns are up.

City display Interface Additions/Changes

1. To add some bigger change to the unit if it is fortified in a city. Currently the only way to know what units are fortified in a city is the thin whinte line around their health bars. Make a fortified unit have a little shield above the unit or or always have the fortified units display to the far left or something.

2. Show the number of GOOD shields used for production not the total and then we have to count the corruption and subtract.

Main view/unit changes

1. When right clicking on a worker in a grouo of workers have the description show what the worker is doing.

Example: Worker 0.0.1 (Irrigation)

This would help tell what your workers are doing in a group without having to click to activate them and then find out via the "Your worker is doing XX thing, and will be done in X turns." comment.

**cheerful** · December 19, 2001, 17:43

Cost of Relocating Capital

There should be a cap on the cost of capital. My suggestion will be the same as the cost of the great wonder in the current era. This will make relocating capital expensive, but NOT impossible. In the current setting (1.16f), it is impossible for empire larger than average civ.

**Mannamagnus** · December 20, 2001, 05:14

Add the option to list your cities in order of biggest producer of shields and biggest producer of trade. That way it's much easier to determine where to start building wonders and spaceship parts.

**odisseus** · December 20, 2001, 07:32

It should be harder to raze and destroy a big city.

What about partizans?

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