Civilization III v1.16f Additions/Changes/Fixes

[AHO]

And didn't a small English detachment armed with only a joke defeat an entire German battalion?

[Mokael]

Is it just me, or Apolyton community is turning into a bunch of whining a-holes? It's like talking with horde of teenagers ...



Anyhow. Looks like great patch, FIRAXIS! Keep up a good work, and keep 'em comin'!







Mok

[Whitestar718]

Originally posted by Barchan
Perhaps a better question is: Would you pay $50 bucks to beta test the game and get a free copy of the final version?

I hope that is a rhetorical question, because that is exactly what many games are nowadays.

MH

[Ray K]

Originally posted by AHO
And didn't a small English detachment armed with only a joke defeat an entire German battalion?

Yes.

They had different people translate each part of the joke separately, and then had English soldiers who didn't understand German read the joke aloud in the battlefield.

Because this type of attack could be easily transmitted via radio to large civilian populations, it was banned after the war as a weapon of mass destruction. We can only hope that it never gets in the hands of terrorists.

[salkin]

* The missing periods from unit lines on the disembark box fixed.

With attention to detail like this, it is no wonder that the CIV series is a perenial best seller!

[Steve Clark]

Venger (and others), you obviously want a blue firetruck. How do you reconcile with those that want a green firetruck? Do you think it should be possible to have it so that you can have a mostly blue one while others have a mostly green one? In the meantime, there are others making a red firetruck all by themselves, as well as those that are enjoying it with whatever color it comes in.

[Lord of the Isles]

Moaners

Originally posted by yin26
Yes, but the movie came out when I was a kid. Even by the time I was a kid, I was saying all kinds of amazing quotes that would stand the test of time.

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When Yoda was casted for the movie, he spent a weekend at my house. His only job was to keep the grill hot and ready for the steaks. He kept complaining that he was too short for the job. I remember then saying my famous words.

Knowing he was a hot actor at the time, I even specifically said: 'Listen little green midget: Use that line in a movie and I'll have your SAG card and that staff (which he uses only as a prop, by the way) shoved between those vulcan ears!" He claimed Spock stole the look from him, at which point I knew what I was dealing with.

Worse than you know Yin. You remember the day when Yoda asked you when you and him were to meet at your house? And you said:

May the 4th, be with you

Well, he stole that line too but misquoted it as usual.



More seriously, while there are a few whiners in these fora whom I cannot stand, just when I get close to including Yin and Venger in that category they always come up with something to remind me that they really do care about the Civ series. Constructive whining, that's what they do.

And Venger, as well as trying WesW's Medieval Pack mod for CtPII, try Hexagonian's Cradle of Civilization mod too (though they are mutually exclusive). Particularly if you like playing early periods in Civ games, it is a great improvment on standard CtPII. Not perfect mind you, but a lot, lot better.

[bahoo]

Originally posted by Steve Clark
Venger (and others), you obviously want a blue firetruck. How do you reconcile with those that want a green firetruck? Do you think it should be possible to have it so that you can have a mostly blue one while others have a mostly green one? In the meantime, there are others making a red firetruck all by themselves, as well as those that are enjoying it with whatever color it comes in.

I don't care what color my fire truck is, as long as it has wheels, a hose, a motor and all other parts that make it work.

And, no, I'm not gonna grovel to and thank firaxis for fixing my fire truck that they sold to me broken, regardless if the "suits" made them do it or not.

[AHO]

That's it exactly, Ray!
Glad to see that not EVERYONE has lost their sense of humor (that's humour, in honour of our British friends and allies).

[woody]

Originally posted by Mokael
Is it just me, or Apolyton community is turning into a bunch of whining a-holes? It's like talking with horde of teenagers ...

Yes, it seems that way. I used to think Usenet was bad, but this board is even worse!

However, the problem seems to be limited to a few very vocal whiners, who have no interest in learning the game, only complaining and trolling. Venger, Yin, Erazor, and a few others should simply go away. If they don't like the game, then stop playing it and return it. I think Yin said he already returned it. Then WHY IS HE STILL POSTING HERE?!? Go away! We don't need to read your childish tandrums.

I think when these people start personally attacking the Firaxis guys that post here, the moderators should ban them. I'd much rather read the posts from Jeff Morris and Dan, than listen to whining from Yin or Venger.

I have no problem with people making constructive criticisms to the developers, but the childish rants I've read are just pathetic. Grow up, guys!

Civ3 isn't perfect. The patch looks promising, but I'll withhold my opinions until I get to try it out. In the meantime, the unpatched game is still very fun to play. I hope this patch isn't the last, but even if it is, it fixes what I consider to be the most serious problems. (Assuming the fixes work, and don't break anything else.)

[art_vandelai]

Re: Re: Patch ETA and Ramblings

Originally posted by Howling Chip


General, I read the "elite" comment as if that would pertain to the skill level of the unit. Reg, vet, elite level has no effect on the odds of giving or taking damage to health, only in how many health bars a unit has.

From evidence in my games, i'd say that's not the case. It does seem that a wounded unit is more likely to take further damage than a non-wounded unit. On countless occasions, I've lost fortified high-defense units (like infantry) that were on 1 or 2 hp left to lower attack units (like knights) that had full hp. I'd estimate that about 75 percent of the time, the infantry with 1 hp will be killed without doing any damage to the knight, which in theory should only happen about 21% of the time.

Furthermore, I've found it MUCH easier to score damage against conscript infantry with only 2 hp than against regulars or veterans with 3 or more HP's. It doesn't matter whether I'm attacking with a superior attack unit (like a tank) or an inferior attack unit (like a cavalry). When the first attack scores, it seems to be that much easier for the next attack to go the same way as well.

Anyone else noticed the same results? I realize that the game is designed so that there's no difference in attack/defense based on number of HP, but from repeated gameplay, I sense that this might not be the case.

[yin26]

I think Yin said he already returned it. Then WHY IS HE STILL POSTING HERE?!? Go away! We don't need to read your childish tandrums.

LOL! You new here pal? Boy, you got a long road ahead if you think this is me whining! Oh, this is me being nice. Trust me. Ask around.

[Jaybe]

Originally posted by Venger
Dude, I had 200 workers in my game. It sucked the life force out of me. I had them because the game engine REQUIRES me to cover every square with road and railroad in order to achieve the best results. Don't blame me, blame the person who thought every square inch of land required railroad...

Venger

Venger,
I have generally respected your opinions - But:
Re "game engine" are you referring to Civ3 (or Civ2)?? And just how important is it that you cover every square with rails? And who said you had to "do it NOW?"

I DO blame you for thinking that it is that important. All those potential happy citizens adding to your score each turn -- and not sucking the life force out of you having to be directed as workers!! Geez! Talking about having your priorities screwed!!

BTW, Yin -- same goes for you (as if it matters anymore).

Imagine, fine folks like you allowing the GAME to Abuse YOU with false (I hope) concepts like that.

[Ralf]

Originally posted by Venger
First - are engineers gone from Civ3? I certainly never got to build them, and they helped late game tedium by working twice as fast...

Under demogracy, the speed of your workers increases from 100% to 150% - almost there.

As for railroads boosting everything, I agree - this only leads to more or less uniform & monotonoues looking RR-spiderweb landscapes. RR:s should really only increase shields-outputs, and possibly boost trade, but as an counteracting measure; actually decrease the irrigation food bonus. Non-irrigated tiles with food-outputs would be uneffected, however.

Above would introduce some interesting back-and-forth considerations, regarding RR-building.

[G Spot Tornado]

Do we deserve multiple patches? Why the hell didn´t they finish the game before they released it?