German release/translation gaff

[joker_civ3ger]

edit by markg: thank you dangering this site...

[EEKthedog]

lol, he was just pulling your leg ya dummy

And quit the language abuse.


Honestly....you're really asking for a lawsuit now too ya know.

[joker_civ3ger]

I knew that he tried to fool me, I read ALL his posts in this thread before the first of mine. After I read the crap he has written I knew that he is a fake. He thinks it's cool, but for me it's just as lame as a lil child can be!

[yin26]

joker_civ3ger:

What's funny is that you DIDN'T get the joke at first or were just using bad language to make your own bad joke. For the record, I share your anger at Infogrames.

[joker_civ3ger]

believe me, i did get it, otherwise i would never say: FU!


next time just think about who is right: the fans or the game industry

[yin26]

"next time"? You say you've read my posts?! LOL!

[joker_civ3ger]

how sick must your brain be when you write this crap?:

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yin26:
Quick question: Would you actually like to see the food you are stealing from our mouths?

Here's my address. Come see it, tough guy:
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[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by ColdFever
The legal fee was not $500, it was about $850. But Infogrames signaled to take over this amount for their lawyers to show goodwill. The identical amount of course I have to pay for my lawyer, according to the German table of lawyer fees. The other c&d-order to the fansite admins was replaced by a non-disclosure agreement after they fulfilled certain core demands.

Yes. the 10000$ penalty now is due for every MOD I would do of Civ3 or I would support or encourage to distribute.

Ok, this put the final nail in the coffin of my future support by MOD of Civ 3

MarkG, I have enjoyed your (and DanQ) site for more of a couple of years. Usually I had liked a lot, sometime not, but I have a "positive feeling" with the site and its community in general.

So I hope you consider to shut down your file section: let's admit it , you are risking a legal action just for your support of the game, from the same people should award you two for yours efforts (and most of the game community, too).

I understand you risk to lost hits while removing mod/map files, but as the things are twisting you and everyone in Internet Game Community should step back from this kind of Civ 3 support.

Until Firaxis AND Infogrames clearly define what a fan can and what can't do with the game "largely editable" feature, I humbly suggest you to play the safe side.

Come on, it's only a game: it doesn't deserve a thousand of YOURS dollars just for the sake of freedom of speach or the right to squeeze more enjoyment from it with some modify.

On a side note, I want to support Dan Magaha in this particular case: please don't shot on him. Send message directly to Firaxis boss, not against someone who can't control this mess at all.

[yin26]

Adm. could well be right, Markos. If Infogrames wants to play these games, it will kill the community. Let it die. At least the mod part, I mean. Too bad, but why should you risk anything?

joker_civ3ger: For a guy with 'joker' in your name, you are decidedly humor deficient. Let it go, guy.

[krzysiek]

Originally posted by ColdFever


Hi Mark,
this is Kai Fiebach, the receiver of the "cease and desist order".
...
On advice of my lawyer I finally did also sign the order to protect me and my family to get out of the mess without further legal procedures. Because of this now I face a 10.000$ penalty for ANY modification of Civ3 or supporting them.

The whole story is paranoid, like a bad dream!
Kai, I hope they'll leave you alone.

Question to Firaxis and "BigBadCompany":
What additions/modifications to the game can we do without being treated as criminals?

[madmario]

Originally posted by Kolyana
So, let me get this right ... we can mod the game, but the German's can't?

I don't know why "we" can...

-mario

[madmario]

Originally posted by ColdFever
The legal fee was not $500, it was about $850. But Infogrames signaled to take over this amount for their lawyers to show goodwill. The identical amount of course I have to pay for my lawyer, according to the German table of lawyer fees. The other c&d-order to the fansite admins was replaced by a non-disclosure agreement after they fulfilled certain core demands.

Yes. the 10000$ penalty now is due for every MOD I would do of Civ3 or I would support or encourage to distribute.

Kai, my heart goes out to you, brother. You just followed the directions on the box.

Markos, maybe these updates are newsworthy? It's worse than even I thought.

-mario

[yin26]

What additions/modifications to the game can we do without being treated as criminals?

This is precisely what I said Firaxis should do for us AT THE VERY LEAST, yet even Markos here thinks this is somehow an odd request or something.

[EEKthedog]

To add it up some more,
This quote was posted in this thread before:

From Civilization III License AgreementOTHER RESTRICTIONS: You may not cause or permit the disclosure, copying, renting, licensing, sublicensing, leasing, dissemination or other distribution of the Software or the Documentation by any means or in any form, without the prior written consent of Infogrames Interactive. You may not modify, enhance, supplement, create derivative work from, adapt, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise reduce the Software to human readable form.

And now this: http://www.civ3.com/devupdate.cfm


Now an official statement from Firaxis/Infrogames would really be needed.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by yin26
This is precisely what I said Firaxis should do for us AT THE VERY LEAST, yet even Markos here thinks this is somehow an odd request or something.

my comment was referring to the time period that the legal issue was still open. now it is not, and things are of course different