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**Grumbold** · November 23, 2001, 07:23

In a perfect world you'd be absolutely right and I hope at least some of these micromanagement issues get cleaned up in future versions of the game. I just wonder what you were expecting considering it has evolved from the micromanagement-fest that was Civ II.....

**Dev** · November 23, 2001, 07:27

I don't remember Civ2 being this much of an interface/management hell and SMAC surely isn't.

This interface hasn't evolved, it's regressed.

/dev

**Grumbold** · November 23, 2001, 07:31

All of those flaws are present in Civ II except for the stupid governor (because tere wasn't one and you couldnt queue production) and you couldn't even set auto-workers to reduce some of the worker-management.

**Cian McGuire** · November 23, 2001, 07:31

I'm going nuts when I want to semi-end the turn for a given unit but I can't, there's no way to skip a units turn without completely ending it.

Doesn't the 'Wait' command cover what you're looking for here?

If not, could you be a little clearer?

**campmajor!** · November 23, 2001, 07:37

Originally posted by Cian McGuire

Doesn't the 'Wait' command cover what you're looking for here?

If not, could you be a little clearer?

Yes I was thinking the same thing!

The wait command is exactly what dev describes.

**Dev** · November 23, 2001, 07:37

Cian if I use wait I will return to the unit automaticly (and proberly when I'm trying to move some otyher stack of units).

I want an end turn unless I change my mind and manually click the unit option.

Grumbold, I haven't played Civ2 for years but I know that the inteface didn't even come close to anoy me as much as Civ3, sentry command et all.

/dev

**campmajor!** · November 23, 2001, 07:40

Originally posted by Dev
Cian if I use wait I will return to the unit automaticly (and proberly when I'm trying to move some otyher stack of units).

I want an end turn unless I change my mind and manually click the unit option.

/dev

Well, use the fortify command then. In that case if you change your mind you can activate him again (which was not possible in civ2, so this is an improvement!).

**Dev** · November 23, 2001, 07:44

But if I fortify it I have to remember activating it next turn....

A simple change to "skip turn" would fix it.

/dev

**xane** · November 23, 2001, 07:56

"Clear Overview of Units in a given tile" ? The right-click menu is perfect for an overview, way better than the old style boxes.

I know what you mean about the "Governor" decisions, I spent ages waiting for another civ to build Sun Tsus War Academy because nearly every city chose it, then again we do have a production "queue", if only I could figure out how it works ...

I'd like to be able to play a game consisting purely of AI civs, then just watch it in high speed

**Cian McGuire** · November 23, 2001, 07:56

Cian if I use wait I will return to the unit automaticly (and proberly when I'm trying to move some otyher stack of units).

Wait pushes it into a line of units and waits until the last non-waited unit moves or otherwise finishes it's movement. Thereafter they procede in order of when you told them to wait (if I'm not mistaken- they may activate in order or closeness). There won't be any instances of a waited unit popping up in the middle of an active army movement- not that I've noticed anyways.

If what you're looking for automatically ends the unit's turn but allows him to be selectable next turn, doesn't the pass/space bar do that function?

**Grumbold** · November 23, 2001, 08:01

Unfortunately the wait option does not work like that. If you tell a unit to wait then it will requery the next time the "stack" cycles round to that unit. So if you manually select another unit that is higher in the queue, once you have given it orders, up pops the "waiting" unit. It does not get apssed over until after all the units have been queried at least once. Of course this is not noticable if you allow the computer to go through all the units in its internal order. Then you only see the "wait" units after all the normal ones have been processed.

Sentry mode would be an answer, if Civ 3 had it.

**MarkG** · November 23, 2001, 08:12

Originally posted by Dev
A simple change to "skip turn" would fix it.

you can have a unit do nothing this turn and be activated on the next turn by hiting space
or are you describing something else?

**MarkG** · November 23, 2001, 08:16

Re: Interface and other complaints (Civ3 is flawless and perfect types need not read).

Originally posted by Dev
The late game is such a management grief that I quite frankly don't bothert playing much into the industrial age when I get 20 cities, 70 workers and 70 military units ot keep track off.

and you're saying you didnt have the same situation in civ2?

Another thing that is immensly annoying in my world is that it doesn't update everything at the start of your turn, for example
why does it have to cycle through 5 cities that just produced something before it announces the tech advance that lets me build the new improvement I want to start building in those 5 cities ?

You might say that it's minor anoynance but for me it's another 30 or whatever redundant clicks added to the already massive amount of redundant clicking & scrolling.

at least you can change the production of cities directly from the domestic advisor

**Fidel** · November 23, 2001, 08:26

Originally posted by Dev
I don't remember Civ2 being this much of an interface/management hell and SMAC surely isn't.
/dev

It's called "Amarcord effect'. Fellini covered that pretty well, IMHO.

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