Civ III is probably the greatest game we will ever see in our lifetime

[yin26]

LOL! Fair enough.

To answer your question: I think Firaxis is in a bit of a bind now because they will need the first few patch cycles to deal with the normal compatability stuff and now the missing editor functions and possibly MP.

Not knowing what kind of pressure Infogrames will put on them regarding patches, however, Firaxis HAS been VERY good at listening to our feedback when it was presented in an organized and timely manner. This is the thrust of Korn's already starting the bug list.

I call it: "Maximizing the patching window of opportunity" since we all know the clock is ticking.

The good side to this is Firaxis and Infogrames both know that there will be an X-pack for this ... so as long as they address the major issues over the next six months, they can hopefully really surprise us with the X-pack then the Gold Edition. So an awful lot can be done in that 1 year or so if we keep Firaxis clearly informed of what we'd like to see (and if we keep our requests reasonable, of course).

So what's my worry?: I'm just worried about being charged for an editor and lousy MP. If the MP turns out to be incredible, then charging for it in an x-pack isn't bad at all. But I think at least some form of MP should be given free along with the editor. PBEM at least.

Peace in the Land of Civ!

[FuFu15]

wow a 13 year old trying to be deep. let's assume its the greatest game EVER after playing it for two days. ALRITE!

[MattHiggs]

I wish Britain was next to Spain, mmmm warm weather.

[Leonidas]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you think Civ3 is the best game out there - and you really enjoy it - then have fun. . . and I mean that sincerely.

In this crazy world, if you can find something that catches your imagination, then go with it.

Personally, I find it a good game - but I have experienced better, especially since so much was left out of the game. But I imagine 6 months from now, it will have everything that a game of this type should have. . .

[monkspider]

Originally posted by FuFu15
wow a 13 year old trying to be deep. let's assume its the greatest game EVER after playing it for two days. ALRITE!

So I see that it is perfectly socially acceptable to completely write a game off after two days, but not praise it?

[Dis]

my world map doesn't look like that!!!

maybe because I'm playing the huge one.

my europe does not look bad. The connection from spain to france is a little thin. I haven't had much time to look at it, I'm stuck in Australia and SE Asia

[Dis]

One last thing. some of you here don't seem to have a grip on reality

you were expecting some perfect game out of firaxis.

guess what. It is impossible to design a perfect game

WTF were you guys expecting? Do you realize how hard it is to program a game?

And think about how small the programming team at Firaxis is. I seen the credits. They need more people. They only had 1 guy do sound, and the sound on this game isn't very much.

So I'll make it easy for you all. The game could not have been any better with the resources they had available.

either play the game or shut up

[tonic]

Let's hear from *everyone* who has played the new release - in a little while we'll get a better perspective.

Old civers do have a right to be cautious and circumspect before singing the developers' praises.

BTW that Europe map is simply awful - could the one who made the point about the more refined version with the bigger map please provide a pic?

[Grumbold]

Originally posted by monkspider

So I see that it is perfectly socially acceptable to completely write a game off after two days, but not praise it?

By all means be positive and praise the elements of the game that you feel make it the best Civ game or even strategy game so far. Saying "Civ III is probably the greatest game we will ever see in our lifetime" is just so over the top and unjustifiable that it immediately detracts from your main point. Had you said "it ought to be game of the year" there would have been less of a reaction and you would have been more justified in reacting to any nay-sayers.

Looking at the current crop of posts it seems that the game plays well on the majority of systems but there are areas that just feel rushed or left out. Why no attitude advisor, when that is a really key part of maintaining a stable empire, for example? Why such poor attempts at creating world maps, when those are the only "scenarios" you are going to end up shipping with the game? Such constructive criticism may guide Firaxis to improving the parts that really do need a little more attention , to make this "best" game even better in the long run. People aren't generally coming here just to pick faults and moan for no reason!

[Dis]

I tried print screen but it doesn't work

but my europe map looks better than that putrid thing

although it is a little stretched out. But that is the only way to accurately put europe on a flap world map and keep it appopiate distances from the other continents. the earth map in civ2 was ****ed up. the atlantic ocean was bigger than the pacific ocean. WTF!! why no complaints about that?! In order to semi-correct this, Europe must be stretched out. But the tile system of the game puts restrictions on how it can be stretced out. So this is where the problems on my europe map come in. And England is just too small to accurately portray using the tile system on a huge world map. England does look like sh!t on my huge world map.

[monkspider]

My condolensces Grumbold, but I feel that my claim which my title makes is FAR more reasonable than some of threads I have seen with silly titles such as "Firaxis screw up big time!" or "Civ 3 sucks d00dz". Ironically, there seems to be a direct correlation between the authors of such silly threads and those who have yet to play the game (Not to seem like I'm picking on Yin specifically ) Just to clarify, in spite of my overly optimistic view of things, I'm all for constructive critisicm! I think that constructive criticism by the fans is one of the things that made Civ III the glowing success that it is. I just think that this thread helps balance the furies with other threads out there like "Civ 3 is sux0rs".

[Grumbold]

I think both sides are as bad as each other. One "suxors" post breeds two "roxors" which breed four "suxors" etc until we're all overwhelmed with meaningless fanboy and dissing spam and I start getting that "server is too busy right now" message again

Just read the Civ release party thread. Its nice to see that when in a polite enviroment Firaxis are prepared to admit that stuff was cut or released "as is" to meet the deadline and that they are already working on putting in some of the missing features and crushing the 43 known bugs. Posts like that I feel are more helpful than ones that insist the world (and Civ) is black or white, not shades of grey.

[monkspider]

Originally posted by Grumbold
I think both sides are as bad as each other. One "suxors" post breeds two "roxors" which breed four "suxors" etc until we're all overwhelmed with meaningless fanboy and dissing spam and I start getting that "server is too busy right now" message again

I agree, but it is not fair for Civ for this forum to be constantly clogged up with nothing but ridiculously negative posts, I like to think of this thread as a flower growing through the concrete, so to speak.

Just read the Civ release party thread. Its nice to see that when in a polite enviroment Firaxis are prepared to admit that stuff was cut or released "as is" to meet the deadline and that they are already working on putting in some of the missing features and crushing the 43 known bugs. Posts like that I feel are more helpful than ones that insist the world (and Civ) is black or white, not shades of grey.

Once again, I think we are in basic agreement. That was very classy on their part
I think Civ is truly a marvelous game, and as such, is deserving of much praise from the silent majority of the Apolyton community, against background of the extremely outspoken (and non-game owning) critics.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Your point? So the map isn't to your liking means it isn't polished? What are you, nuts?

And, I'd like to point out... Europe is actually very very small compared to the rest of the world.

In other words Imran has NO IDEA where France, Spain and the British Isles are relative to each other

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Dissident
One last thing. some of you here don't seem to have a grip on reality you were expecting some perfect game out of firaxis.
guess what. It is impossible to design a perfect game
WTF were you guys expecting? Do you realize how hard it is to program a game?
And think about how small the programming team at Firaxis is. I seen the credits. They need more people. They only had 1 guy do sound, and the sound on this game isn't very much.
So I'll make it easy for you all. The game could not have been any better with the resources they had available.
either play the game or shut up

Is this the new standard argument in defence? Firaxis had a small set of resources so they can justifiably put out a sh*t game? Damnit man, to do a world map that was equivalent to the ones in civ2 would have taken an extra FOUR HOURS for one person, at the most. This at first glance is nitpicking - but look at what you get when this policy of laziness and rush production is repeated over and over. It adds up to a game full of those "not so important" flaws.

We did not expect a perfect game. We expected everything civ2 was and more. Instead, we recieved less than civ2 was and more - put together hastily to meet a deadline. Better yet, the "more" seems to consist mostly of trite 3-d animations which have nothing to do with game mechanics. Why did they drop all of the trivial pleasures of control in civ2 and focus development on meaningless video work? My best guess would be to dumb the game down for the masses. There is absolutely no way they "lacked the resources" to put the same amount of effort into the basic areas of control that civ2 had.

I mean, holy hell, look at some of the graphic work sn00py has done in the past 24 hours, on his own - it blows firaxis' 3 year "development" out of the water! Not to mention my own graphic development coming up, which is equally impressive... are you telling us that firaxis was so limited in resources that they couldn't hire someone to use photo-shop and 3-d studio properly??? Perhaps they were so starved for cash that they couldn't afford pictures of the real world to base graphic development on, let alone look out a f*cking window for inspiration?

STOP defending mediocracy, please. There still is hope, as the underground is full of talented people willing to spend a few extra hours of their time on mods that work. Too bad firaxis couldn't have done it themselves, especially seeing as how we all payed them 50$ a pop to do so.

Argh...