Civ III is probably the greatest game we will ever see in our lifetime

[monkspider]

How did this thread get bumped?! I started it over a year ago!


In hindsight, Civ 3 may not be the best game we will ever play, but it's going to be pretty close to the top.

[The Andy-Man]

Civ II was the same way. It did evolve over a couple of years!

Yes, years! all the stuff was added later!

I don't see any difference with Civ III, its like tradition.

No other game, has been like Civilization!

Well, not quite! Although they have tried.

Yeah, but the first incarnation of Civ2 is still one of the best games ever....

[techumseh]

Originally posted by monkspider
How did this thread get bumped?! I started it over a year ago!

In hindsight, Civ 3 may not be the best game we will ever play, but it's going to be pretty close to the top.

[SlowwHand]

Civ 3 was a gift, and I still got cheated.

[WarpStorm]

I will stand by my initial feelings. This is the best game I've played this year (and I own nearly all of the AAA titles).

[Mad Bomber]

Re: Civ III is probably the greatest game we will ever see in our lifetime

Originally posted by monkspider
I have never seen a game with so much polish, so much heart-felt dedication than Civ III.

Firaxis did improve the polish in CIV 3 over CIV 2, but there is more to a game than polish.

The AI is excellent, the game is engrossing, the diplomacy is better than I ever dreamed, the graphics are nice, the music is beautiful, replay value is truly infinite, everything is perfectly balanced, it is simply the most fun I have had with a game I can ever recall.

The AI is the best that I have seen from a strategy game, but it can still be outsmarted by a fairly competent player. Diplomacy can use ALOT of work, in fact this is the one area that really needs impovement. The music is ok, i guess. Perfectly balanced? What game have you been playing?

There are virtually no flaws, no major bugs, nothing one could possibly complain about.

No flaws? No bugs? Read the forums, both of these are ample in CIV 3.

The lack of MP on paper sounds like a bad thing, but the above-and-beyond the call of duty effort Firaxis has taken to perfect the single player game more than makes up for it. Firaxis could have put together a game half as good as Civ III and it still would have been an extremely good game, and sold like hotcakes, but they went to ungodly lengths to make the Civilization III experience one that is truly unforgettable. I thank the maker for the oppurtunity to experience this wonderful moment. In the course of human history, only a very small percent will ever get to play Civ III and I am thankful that I was one of the lucky ones. To all whom find themself at least somewhat in agreement, please keep this near the top, so newbie lurkers may be made aware of the ecstasy that is Civ III.

I like CIV 3 and it is a clear improvement over CIV 2. However there were some features in CIV2 that they removed from CIV 3 that worked. Cruisers, Stock markets, Engineers, Farmland, Statue of Liberty, and The Eiffel Tower, and the Stealth Fighter (the F-22 version) are a sample of things removed from CIV 3 that worked in CIV 2. And the only reason that I can see for their removal is to distinguish it from CIV 2. Bad move IMO. Civ 3 is a great game, but it is far, far from perfect.

[Cyclotron]

Re: Re: Civ III is probably the greatest game we will ever see in our lifetime

Originally posted by Mad Bomber
The AI is the best that I have seen from a strategy game, but it can still be outsmarted by a fairly competent player.

That is the case with all game AIs. Not exactly unique to Civ3...

And the only reason that I can see for their removal is to distinguish it from CIV 2.

Let's see if I can help...

I like CIV 3 and it is a clear improvement over CIV 2. However there were some features in CIV2 that they removed from CIV 3 that worked. Cruisers,

...Would be nice

Stock markets,

Replaced by Wall Street

Engineers,

Replaced by better worker rate under democracy

Farmland,

Sure, but IMO not necessary anyway

Statue of Liberty,

Overpowered

and The Eiffel Tower,

I never saw much point in this one in Civ2, it didn't do much for me... besides, useless in MP

[Mad Bomber]

Cyclotron:

1. The AI is good but it can use some improvement
2. Wall Street is underpowered and can only be built once, Stock markets were available in every city in CIV 2. Also, they are back for PTW, so I think Firaxis realized the mistake of removing them in CIV3.
3. Engineers also had 2 moves as well as increased working speed, and they looked much better than the ancient age workers.
4. Farmland (and supermarket) were replace by railroad tile bonuses. Another mistake, also rectified in PTW. (with supermarkets at least)
5. Why should ONLY religious civs be able to change Governments on a whim? Not overpowering in my book, putting the SOL back in the game would greatly increase the balances between the CIV's IMO. (Militaristic trait is watered down by Sun Tzu's, Scientific by Newtons and Copernicus, Commercial by Adam Smiths and Wall Street, Expansionist by available land to explore, Industrious by lack of worker tasks, what exactly waters down the religious trait?...Nothing!)
5. The Eiffel tower may be useless in MP, but it would be very useful in SP and you could give it some serious culture points to balance it out.

[Traelin]

All in all I love this game. Never have I had a game keep me tired and worthless at work for so long. I couldn't imagine not having it. I'm still frustrated with some of the bugs though. Really frustrated. But you gotta take the good with the bad.