Wny no Taj Mahal?

[Dida]

I think we should honor the people died in 9-11 by making the World Trade Center towers Great Wonder of the World. Which give +10% gold in the host Civ.

[drake]

We don't even have all the original 7 wonders of the world in the game.....so why the fuss?

dida- WTC was a great wonder of the modern world, not only in construction, but of symbolism......

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by Rasbelin
[Bologna] The first European university.

While not in Europe, the University of Al-Azhar is a good century older.
You have an interesting list though.

Here are a few more from my own list:

Abolishment of Slavery
Biosphere 2
Catacombs
Compulsory Education
Contraception
Freud's Interpretation of Dreams
Grand Canal
Inquisition
Kinderdike Mills
Magna Carta
Matthaus Passion
Nachtwacht
Odyssee
OPEC
Rainbow Warrior
Rubik's Cube
Scotland Yard
Shuri Castle
Sydney Opera House
The Ten Commandments
Topkapi Museum
Trans-Siberian Railroad
Utopia
Woodstock Festival
World Health Organization

[squid]

Originally posted by Rasbelin
Okay, I have upgraded my WoW list.
This is the new version of it:


...Maginot Line...

LOL....What does it do? Causes you to waste all of your money on a huge defense project, only to get your ass kicked because they came from the other direction?

The Maginot Line may have been the worst defensive fortification of all time!

Some of these ideas are silly. It's like you are trying to be politicially correct on purpose to get your countries in. No one cares of the Amsterdam Stock Exchange. The Taj Mahal is a building, but it never served any purpose....

MIT is vastly overrated of course. They dwell on obfuscating theory and touting AI, when of course there are twenty universities in the nation of equal caliber in the AI sector. It's much like UC Berkley...live on the edge, talk like you are smoking crack, and you get a reputation. UMass, Berkley, NC State, John Hopkins, and Carnegie Mellon are all on par with MIT, if not above in many areas.

I could go on, but I don't feel like it.

As for the "make it a world program", please consider that
1) Firaxis is in Maryland
2) most customers are going to be in the US.
3) It would be a pain to make everyone happy with different versions.

Save your breath. You're going to get what you are going to get.

[Wittlich]

Don't "sugar-coat" it Squid, what are you really trying to say?

[CygnusZ]

Suggested Wonders:

Scientific:

Thomas Edison's Invention Workshop
Enrique Fermi's Nuclear Pile
Cure for Smallpox (The start of Modern Medicine)
The Mandlebrot Set

Expansionistic:

Manifest Destiny
Mercantalism
Mandate of Heaven (The Divine Right of kings maybe?)
Yagyu Jubei Shrine
Acropolis

Militaristic:

Kensai Dojo
Mars' School of War (Rome had the worlds best trained troops)
Liberty Tree
The Slave Trade

Economic:

Empire State Building
Tokyo Stock Exchange
Spinning Jenny
Weltham System
Conveyer Belt (or Ford's Automobile Factory)
Interchangable Parts
Cotton Gin
Teaching's of Confucious

Both concepts and actual buildings are included in this wonder list.

It is a glaring oversight that the Taj Mahal was not included. It is by far one of the greatest wonder's of the world (more so than something as weak as Women's Sufferage at least).

[jsw363]

Re: Re: Some shoots

Originally posted by Rasbelin
Well, Hagia Sofia isn't a mosque any longer,
it has been a national museum for
over 80 years (=since the days of Kemal).
But anyway, I cannot agree that we can put
those two religions inside one wonder; Hagia Sofia.

I think that I would have to disagree. I went last summer and there were definitely people praying in the building, museum or not. You are also required to remove shoes and wear appropriate attire.

As for the Tower of Babel, this shoudln't be a wonder since it is MYTHICAL. It would be like having Cibola, Atlantic or Shangri-la as wonders. I don't think that buildings which aren't supported by archeological evidence should be included.

[EnochF]

Hmmm... I was planning to rename Battlefield Medicine to "Medical Corps" as soon as I got the game... but now I think I'll call it "Red Cross" instead. Good idea.

Taj Mahal would make a good wonder, I think.

As for the rest of you... I said it before, when I was editing the Wonders section of The List, and I'll say it again... YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL FREAKING NUTS!

[Pyrodrew]

Of course, you meant most of the Americans don't know what Taj Mahal is, right?

The Americans I know do. You need to stop watching JerrySpringer.

[Your.Master]

Oh God

Originally posted by Dida
I think we should honor the people died in 9-11 by making the World Trade Center towers Great Wonder of the World. Which give +10% gold in the host Civ.

A) We've been saying for a while that this game is too US-centric.

B) I don't want to crush anybody's feelings, I know this is a hard time and all, and people have died, but just because something was attacked doesn't mean it's a wonder.

That said, I say that the World Trade centre buildings would be a GREAT replacement for the joke wonder, Statue of Liberty...or more properly for Wall Street (WTC was a great engineering feat. I've been hearing recently claims that they used to be the tallest freestanding structures in the world, which is funny, because every reliable statistic I've found on the net says that the CN tower is slightly taller and freestanding, but nonetheless...I mean, the CN tower doesn't DO anything).

[Boliao]

Originally posted by Rasbelin

Perhaps you're meaning Rasbelin?
It was I who invented those ideas and
posted them.

hehe Sorry for the mix up..... credit should go to u
Thanks for clarifying so much...I learn more today than in my history class.....

But seriously there was a indeed an ancient khmer civ in present day cambodia in the 9th century. The civ reached its peak glory in the 12th Century under Kings Suryavarman II and Jayavarman VII.

The Temple of Angkor Wat was dedicated to the Hindu God Vishnu by King Suryavarman II, but the civ fell to the Thais in the 12th century. Angkor Wat
U may think the city featured in tomb raider is ficticious but it is not (I agree the story about time travel is crap)

It is hidden from the western world until modern times as it is enshouded in thick jungle vegetation. Even the French colonists only heard rumors of these ancient temples.

I think they are have many parallels to the Maya and Inca Civs....Only that they weren't destryed by the Europeans.

[CygnusZ]

Re: Oh God

Originally posted by Your.Master

GREAT replacement for the joke wonder, Statue of Liberty...or more properly for Wall Street (WTC was a great engineering feat.

Eh, the WTC rings hollow for me. Statue of Liberty is a proud symbol of american heterogeneity whereas the WTC was just a shrine to greed. Then again, Wall Street is also a pretty terrible "wonder".

Perhaps I feel that the Statue of Liberty is more approriate because it is symbolic of an ideal which is what the concepts of wonder's illustrate. Pyramids, The Globe Theater, SETI even Wall Street (I agree with you, that's a pretty poor wonder) represent ideals as well as physical manifestations. WTC simply never (when it was standing) had any ideal about it.

[Yoleus]

Just my opinions

Uh?
No people from US caring to support the Constitution of the Union as a wonder instead of SoL?
I am puzzled.
Ribannah: OPEC as a wonder? Inquisition and Woodstock on the same list? We do have to talk, maybe we are not speaking the same language
CygnusZ: the Mandelbrot set? it is a wonder as the Niagara falls are, truly a wonder but NOT MAN-made. Manifest Destiny and Mandate of Heaven? Aren't you just a little over-religious?
Weltham System: I am sorry, absolutely no idea of what it is...
And to some others: spinning Jenny as a wonder? As, say,
the Stone-Age Club (military wonder), the First Cartload (industrious wonder)...
On the other side Angkor Wat is a nice idea.
An now I will quote EnochF:
YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL FREAKING NUTS! (including myself, obviously)

[drake]

Eh, the WTC rings hollow for me. Statue of Liberty is a proud symbol of american heterogeneity whereas the WTC was just a shrine to greed. Then again, Wall Street is also a pretty terrible "wonder".

Perhaps I feel that the Statue of Liberty is more approriate because it is symbolic of an ideal which is what the concepts of wonder's illustrate. Pyramids, The Globe Theater, SETI even Wall Street (I agree with you, that's a pretty poor wonder) represent ideals as well as physical manifestations. WTC simply never (when it was standing) had any ideal about it.

Wall street epitomizes modern economics and the building of such a wonder could represent one of the highest levels of economic progress in the history of mankind. Its a very good choice for a wonder IMO. Some people who play the game to max out trade, gnp and production, will be particularly interested in well represented modern economic wonders.

The WTC may have (or may not have) been a testament to capitalism and greed, and whether you look at it in a positive or negative fashion, it had both incredible engineering and symoblic power. Much more than many of the ancient wonders.

Pyramids, by the way were also a testament to greed. Huge massive structures built for one reason and one reason only. To bury the wealthy "royalty". It symbolized affluence. Dominance.

Yes, it was an incredible marvel of construction and its longevity is truly un-paralelled, but please do not talk about its symbolism in any different light than a building such as the wtc.

[Yoleus]

Hold it.
Pyramids were built out of a way of thinking and believing.
The people which actually built them were NOT slaves, and the architect which devised them reached god-like status along with the pharao to the egyptian.
They are the main efort of a civilisation.
On the other end, WtC, Wall Street and the tall skyscrapers in NY are just a money machine, since the beginning. They were not created for pride or culture, but for money. Money. Money.
Wall Street is not even the first stock exchange of the planet, and for the biggest part of history the main stock exchange has been London's one. And before you had Bazaars, etc.
AFAIK, the skyscrapers were seen at the beginning as the NY respone to european cathedrals (US is not old enough to have old cathedrals) as "temples to wealth", but that's just American romance. In fact they were built after lack of space, tall in order to be ECONOMICALLY rewarding. Money. Money. ...