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  • #76
    Originally posted by Falconius


    First, the USA IS the best country in the world! That's why most of the world's immigrants come here.

    Second, the world DOES need America! We tried to stay out of World War One, but had to come and save Europe from destroying itself. Then we tried to stay out of World War Two, but once again were forced out of our isolation to come save everyone from the warmongering Germans and Japanese. Then the British and French BEGGED us to keep troops in Europe and send some to the mid-east to counter the Soviet threat. Then we had to prop up the dying European economies with the Marshall plan.

    Third, the US is now the world's police officer because the world NEEDS a police officer! After the experience of repeatedly going from war to isolationism, we were finally forced to stay out by the length of the Cold War. And we are merely replacing the British in their role of the "Balancer" in world affairs. With so many fires constantly igniting in the world that threaten to become greater conflagrations, the world needs someone to come along and put out the fire.

    It would be nice to see some international body, like the UN, be given the authority to be the world's policeman, but so far that hasn't panned out. So the top dog is forced into the role. Who else is gonna do it? The Netherlands!?

    Be thankful it was the Soviets that collapsed and not the US. Can you imagine the Soviets as world policeman? At least the US attempts not to harm civilians (depite the fact that we recently lost 6000 of them). A Soviet war machine might not be so polite.
    ROFLMAO!

    One word: Troll!

    -Alech
    "Build Ports when possible. A port gives you extra resources, as well as an extra tile for a unit to stand on." - Infogrames

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    • #77
      Originally posted by tuckson
      Nah... Depends on the motive. Revenge is not a valid motive. Extinction of terroristic threat is.

      Revenge is not a valid motive? Maybe you need to take a good look at the human race but revenge has been around a long time and isnt going out of style soon. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt make it less valid than anything else.

      Originally posted by tuckson
      America seems to think the World NEEDS America. Well... it can be used, but the world can survive without the USA I guess.
      Let me point out where your statement is wrong. Lets use economics. Japan is in freefall, zero intrust loans, bad loans to companies that should fail, more bad loans to said companies because if they do fail the banks will close also because they have already invested to much money in them to write them off. Japan keeps spending money to keep the dollar proped up so that imports from them are cheep. Thing is you cant keep that up when you credit rating is downgraded to the same level as Barbados (spelling?). Only one thing will pull them out and thats the US buying thier exports because only we have that kind of buying power. But with the 911 attacks and our shutdown of the economy we're going to have a quarter of recession but in all likley hood just one.
      Now lets take a look at the EU. The two biggest economies in it France and Germany are hurting. Both were flat before 911 with France having a very good chance of a recession and after the attack because of the damage to trade both are going to into recession. Germany might have been able to avoid it if it wasnt tied into the EUs inflexable monetary policy. Whats good for Italy isnt good for Germany and so on through the whole mess. The only hope Germany would have is to declare no confidence in the Euro but that would kill the new currency so its doubted that would happen. The only country that can pull the world economy out of its mess is the US, the US drives it. Sorry you cannot get along without it in the real world.


      Also take a look at Nato. While the counties in Nato do have armies they do not the support equipment to make Nato effective without the US. Nato has been working on this but is still at least 5 years away from being able to operate effectively without US support. Thats the reason we had to get involved in the Balkans.
      Once again the US is needed.
      The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

      Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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      • #78
        Actually, I think Clinton was an intelligent, charismatic leader who, unfortunately, had a major weakness: young women that like to.... oh... nevermind.

        I believe Bigbear was referring to the current President of the USA.
        Of the Holy Roman Empire, this was once said:
        "It is neither holy or roman, nor is it an empire."

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Simpleton

          Hey? One question. If Americans are so proud of their country why is it that they wear Canadian pins and shirts when they vacation abroad?????
          Funny I dont. Sound like a stereotype to me.
          The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

          Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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          • #80
            World police officer?

            Simply an updated version of 'the white mans burden'.

            Stop pretending.

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            • #81
              Someone said:

              "2. America is the world's police officer because WE'RE ASKED, or NO ONE ELSE WILL HELP STOP CRAP. Look at Bosnia, I don't remember any of the European powers stepping in and trying to stop genocide. I guess America should jus give hundreds of millions in cash and other aid as we do now without lending any kind of military aid as well?? "



              I don't think so. Europe is _very_ involved in Bosnia, and other UN missions around the world. Several of my closest friends have served tours under the UN as peacekeepers.

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              Also someone made a comment that the US couldn't be held responsible for the arms they sold to other countries because no-one holds German and French companies responsible for their exports. Newsflash: A lot of ppl hold them responsible. And a lot are working to make sure companies and countries are held responsible for what they sell.

              -Alech
              "Build Ports when possible. A port gives you extra resources, as well as an extra tile for a unit to stand on." - Infogrames

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              • #82
                Originally posted by tuckson

                But as soon as interests of US and "the world" become different, The US choose NOT to stay close to the world, but go their own way. Today's example of this? The Rocket shield project.
                Ahhhh yes. The good old "you dont need no SDI" argument. I always love it when someone from another country says we shouldnt defend our cities. Lets set aside just the number of people who would get killed if a nuclear missile hit a good sized city (and the ones who would die from radiation for years to come) and look at the cost. NewYork had at least 4 buildings (not sure if it was just 2 more destroyed by the WTC collapse) and around 5000 killed (off hand I dont know the number injured). That so far has taken what, 30 to 40 billion in aid (thats just government and major charity work) and will take more in the long run. Now add the damage to the economy (anyone want to guess how much money was lost). This is just a small area of a city and it did all of this (and thats just a quick once over on the cost).

                I really hate it when fools (and thats the nicest word i'll use) in my own country say that we shouldnt build it when the loss of life, the damage to the economy, and the damage to future generations would be astronomical from just one missile. What I really find offensive is when morons from other counties say we shouldnt. Its real nice when chances are someone doesnt have a missile pointed at one of your cities. It would be real nice if those people in other counties whos people arnt at stake would kindly FO on this. Its real easy to put other people in harms way.
                The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

                Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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                • #83
                  I agree with Yoleus

                  I agree... Maybe a little few changes could thinkable. As I know, the Louvre isn't even in Civ III... It was so great that many countries tried to copy over it and pass it, as Russia. But they didn't succeeded. This is a simple exemple like that (one I espescially appreciate).

                  So I guess a few things could probably be looked at about which wounders should be in.
                  Go GalCiv, go! Go Society, go!

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                  • #84
                    Re: Trying to make me more angry?

                    Originally posted by Rasbelin

                    Bulls_hit! You just saw Hitler and WWII as a threat for your own
                    heartland and financial interests. Saving the rest of the world?
                    Holy Moses, you have been brainwashed! Russian threat?
                    Just sold warplanes (Aircobras, Kingcobras, Thunderbolts) to USSR,
                    so that they could attack little Finland. You SOB! You FAL! ...
                    Are you for real? Just because Finland and Russia were fighting we should have cut off aid to Russia while they we're fighting Germany? Im sorry we didnt send people over there to tell the Russians "you cant use that plane over here only over there" im so sure they would have listened. Also in retrospect being allied with Germany didnt help you guys too much so please give it a rest. Ohh and Btw didnt you guys fly US made Buffaloes?


                    Originally posted by Rasbelin
                    So you think that USA "balanced" the world by having
                    war in Vietnam? Or how about Afghanistan 1979?
                    Yes I guess we should have just let the USSR have a free hand. Why dont you ask the countries who were behind the iron curtain how they liked it. Again, get real.

                    Originally posted by Rasbelin
                    And thanks to whom has this situation been created?
                    Suprise, suprise; USA!
                    Ahhh yes, its just the mean old USAs fault, its well known thier behind all thats wrong in the world. Please pull your head out and look around sometime.
                    The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

                    Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Jason Beaudoin
                      I believe Bigbear was referring to the current President of the USA.
                      No, that would fit Clinton to a T.
                      The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

                      Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Akaoz

                        Also someone made a comment that the US couldn't be held responsible for the arms they sold to other countries because no-one holds German and French companies responsible for their exports. Newsflash: A lot of ppl hold them responsible. And a lot are working to make sure companies and countries are held responsible for what they sell.

                        -Alech
                        So let me get this straight. Its the fault of the maker of some object on how its use?
                        The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

                        Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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                        • #87
                          I think in this case, The US are prisoner of their own foreign politics from the post WW2 decades. Indeed it's not possible for them right now to retreat and let it all go. They're too deep into it.
                          This is true, but again, there were good reasons for each of those instances.

                          And I do think it's a good thing one helps someone else when it can be done. However it's a bit silly to think the us do things for the sake of the world.
                          Why is that? Just because you're selfish and ignorant doesn't mean everyone is. There were selfish reasons for them, but we weren't involved just because it helped us.

                          All the world knows that the primary concerns of the US foreign politics are the US own needs.
                          I'm glad you 'know' this. Tell me: Are you an important part of the U.S. government? Do you lead us in some way?

                          Examples? The US only got into WW2 AFTER Pearl Harbor.
                          You can think what you want, but there were many other reasons for that. The Peal Harbor attack was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

                          The Gulf War only was there because of the US oil needs.
                          That was the main reason, but again, there were others.

                          But as soon as interests of US and "the world" become different, The US choose NOT to stay close to the world, but go their own way. Today's example of this? The Rocket shield project.
                          For once, I agree with you, but do you think the shield is the fault of America as a whole? It was a stupid decision by a not-necessarily-so-smart government.

                          You bet. Of course we also have some sort of circus. However, Our elections and party programs usually are aimed on capabilities and plans, and not on the person of a political leader him (or her)self. It's a typical American thing to, as soon as a president is installed, dig up his entire personal life and history to find even the tiniest mistake in order to break his career. Things like the Monica Lewinsky story would not happen here because it's a leader's private life. The important thing is how he/she is running the country. That's the reason someone is (re)elected. Not because he could find the most dirty facts about his opponents or because he came up with the longest nicknames for them.
                          I'm sorry to say that there is more to the election. The media will bring out certain aspects of a candidate's life, but that does not decide the election. This information also says something about a candidate's character and potential leadership ability.

                          You also mention the Monica Lewinsky case. Maybe it wouldn't have happened in your country and maybe it was his private life, but it did not affect most people's opinion of his leadership abilities. Many, including me, see Clinton as one of the better presidents in our history.

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                          • #88
                            Re: I agree with Yoleus

                            Originally posted by Trifna
                            I agree... Maybe a little few changes could thinkable. As I know, the Louvre isn't even in Civ III... It was so great that many countries tried to copy over it and pass it, as Russia. But they didn't succeeded. This is a simple exemple like that (one I espescially appreciate).

                            So I guess a few things could probably be looked at about which wounders should be in.
                            How dare you try to get this thread back on topic!

                            Honestly, I feel like whatever on-topic comments have been made are getting lost in all the non-topic rhetoric. As I've already stated, the new wonders (from what we've seen) do tend to have a more American flare than otherwise, and yes, some diversity would have been welcome. But, as Yoleus pointed out, the complaint came late, and now we have to live with the game as is or resort to the editors for some variety.
                            "Stuie has the right idea" - Japher
                            "I trust Stuie and all involved." - SlowwHand
                            "Stuie is right...." - Guynemer

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                            • #89
                              That's the main problem with the wonder videos going...... the possible loss of wonder.

                              You go to Paris and see the Eiffel tower, and its a 'wow' believe me. But for some reason the video of it was even greater than the tower it'self

                              To me the wonder videos brought home the majesty and beauty that has been achieved by all civilizations on the whole planet.

                              Civilization is not about how great America is, it's about how great humanity is. That is why it always worked for me.

                              We shouldn't be making everything American, everything generic or anything just token. We should make the small wonders generic ( I mean 8 pentagons????? ) and use the great wonders to celebrate the wonder and majesty of all the races of man on the earth as that, to me is what civilization was always about.

                              *Faboba shudders at his own optimism then returns to his cloud of despair, which has gone at least for the moment, from black to grey.
                              A witty quote proves nothing. - Voltaire

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by tuckson

                                The Gulf War only was there because of the US oil needs.
                                Because of the WORLD'S oil needs. Or would you have preferred Saddam taking Kuwait and then invading Saudi Arabia?
                                Remember, there were 30 other nations who joined the military coalition against Iraq.
                                In een hoerekotje aan den overkant emmekik mijn bloem verloren,
                                In een hoerekotje aan den overkant bennekik mijn bloemeke kwijt

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