A late complain

[Yoleus]

A little story of mine

Once upon a time I started a thread, and it was so small and innocent. Then I let it the wood alone (I went to sleep), and when I met it again (the day after) it had grown so much, but it also had developed his own "personality". We parted ad met again (now), and my thread has grown to be one of the biggest, met lots of people from all the countries, and definitely thinks with its own head
I shall say I am proud of it (it was fun to read it, I think), even I think I have little but failed in educating it

here to pat my shoulder>

[Mannamagnus]

So much ignorance and chauvinism and so many half truths and misconceptions in one thread. Apolyton forumers you never cease to amaze me. So here’s my contribution:

1. The Netherlands have the biggest and best army in the world.
2. 99% of all that is good was conceived after midnight.
3. Everybody who's not with me is against me and will be bombed to smithereens.
4. George W. Bush was by far the best and smartest president ever to be democraticaly elected.
5. Germans suck at producing durable goods but have a wonderful sense of humor.
6. Only 30000 people get shot in the US every year so there's no reason to infringe their God given right to bear firearms.
7. Civ3 will ship with MP.

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Mannamagnus
6. Only 30000 people get shot in the US every year so there's no reason to infringe their God given right to bear firearms.

Out of a population of close to three hundred million people? Boy the way people carry on you think it would be more than .0001%

[Mannamagnus]

So why make such a fuzz about "only" 6000?

[Mannamagnus]

BTW it's 0,01%

[yin26]

[Mannamagnus]

Before you all start attacking me: I condemn any death by violence wether it be idiots killing innocent people in terrorist attacks or some nitwits who think running around with guns and occasionaly shooting things is cool.

[Akaoz]

*Waves a white flag*

I give up. It's like talking to a wall. Shiva, we seem to find some middle ground on a few areas and that's good. But...

IMO: The Luftwaffe was reduced in quality and moral after the battle of britan. The lack of aitfields and the limited ability to bring supplies to them in the east, combined with the _growing_ threat in the west made them bull a lot of fighters back from the eastern front.

My main points were never meant to imply that America did nothing in the war. My point is that they did a lot less than a lot of Americans seem to think. I am not saying you are one of those Americans.

The Russians died in huge numbers. This does not make them winners of WW2. They died killing huge numbers of Germans. That allowed the western-allies to assault France and take part in the final assault on Germany. This makes Russia, IMHO, the single most important of the allied countries during the war.

But, you are absolutely right: It was a team effort.

(and I wasn't going to write a long reply...)

As for America nuking someone... Well, I don't think you will. But a lot of people fear you may... Nothing you or I say can change that.

"Everyone acts that way as I said. I'll make you a deal. When the rest of the human race stops putting out PR we will too." lol

Fair enough. I think you understood what I meant.

As for winning WW2 without America... Who knows. It would have taken a lot longer at least... Would Germany be a leading country in Europe if the US had stayed out? Who knows...

"the US and England also fought Japan at the same time they fought the Germans."

Don't forget the Aussies! And Chinese, and Koreans and and...

Bottom line: I like America. I also enjoy playing devils advocate and I hate hypocrisy. I feel America should be a bit more honest about it's motives, and stop acting like 'we are doing this because we are so kind...'

I guess I consider Europe and the US to be 'the West' (along with a few other countries around the world). America is still a frontier state in many ways, but also the 'strong-arm' of western culture. I think things like the death-sentence make it hard for Europeans to fully empathize with the US.

Thanks for reading, good night from Norway.

-Alech

[yin26]

and Koreans

YEAH! The Koreans won the damn war!!!

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Mannamagnus
BTW it's 0,01%

300,000,000 into 30,000 is that ehhh? Why doesnt your math seem right?

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Mannamagnus
So why make such a fuzz about "only" 6000?

I dont know how about someone kill 6000 of your countrymen and see if you can ask stupid ****ing questions.

[Mannamagnus]

30 000/300 000 000 =0,0001
But you need to multiply by 100 because we are talking about percentages. There's nothing wrong with my math!

[Mannamagnus]

Please read all my posts Shiva and you might understand.

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Akaoz
*Waves a white flag*
IMO: The Luftwaffe was reduced in quality and moral after the battle of britan. The lack of aitfields and the limited ability to bring supplies to them in the east, combined with the _growing_ threat in the west made them bull a lot of fighters back from the eastern front.

No as I said the Luftwaffe learned quite a bit from it. After the battle they had far more battle hardend pilots then they did at the start. And they had better equipment. I will give you the moral. Britain showed them they were not the gods of the air they thought they were.

Originally posted by Akaoz
My main points were never meant to imply that America did nothing in the war. My point is that they did a lot less than a lot of Americans seem to think. I am not saying you are one of those Americans.

No I used to be one of them long ago It took alot to give over the myth of the p51, the sherman, and crap like that. Trust me, I pound on those people alot worse than I do cause I'v been there.
(and I wasn't going to write a long reply...)

Originally posted by Akaoz
Fair enough. I think you understood what I meant.

Yes, as an ex-infantryman I know what you mean. Anyone who buys PR aint the guy dying for it.


"the US and England also fought Japan at the same time they fought the Germans."

Originally posted by Akaoz
Don't forget the Aussies! And Chinese, and Koreans and and...

Yeah I want to make clear to anyone that for any member of the commonwealth I just tend to lump you in with the British. Its a bad habit but....




Goodnight Akaoz

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Mannamagnus
30 000/300 000 000 =0,0001
But you need to multiply by 100 because we are talking about percentages. There's nothing wrong with my math!

Yeah read the calc wrong. My fault.