No FREE MP = CANCEL your orders / DON'T buy Civ3

[drake]

Yin, give it up man. These people just don't enjoy the idea of competition. The prospect of losing doesnt appeal to these people. They like the "win everytime" comfort that comes with SP games. Can't convince them otherwise, so just let it go......

Nah! better to keep b1tching about firaxis and watch their delicate panties get in a bunch

It really is hilarious!

[Colonel Kraken]

I'd like to make a passionate protest and agree with Yin. It would make quite a statement to Firaxis (or at least the publisher) if thousands of would-be-buyers decided not to purchase Civ 3 (at least initially) on principle.

That Firaxis purported to include MP in Civ 3 and maintained that position (through silence) up until now is troubling at best. I, for one, cannot understand why they could not at least include Hotseat and PBEM with the initial release as these a relatively easy modifications to implement. If it had been concluded many months ago that MP would NOT be included with the initial release, why did Firaxis not jump on the tiger and grab it by the ears and announce their intentions. As Yin has pointed out before, they could have submited an official announcement stating: this is why we did it and this is what we're going to do to make it up to you.

Being practical, though, I know none of these positions are in the realm of reality. I know asking people not to by the initial release on principle is ludicrous. Personally, the only reason I really care is because I am adamant about having Hotseat capability so that I may play the game with my wife. Aside from that, I probably wouldn't care that much either. So I can understand those who need/want SP only willing to buy the game anyway.

Aside from all that, if there is one thing I've learned about initial game releases (and as Yin has stated before), there invariably is an expansion pack costing $30 (the original game usually costs $50). So you pay $80 for a more complete game. Then eventually there is a "Gold Edition" with the latest patch, new scenarios, and the expansion pack for around $45. Now, unless I'm crazy (or have plenty of money to blow), why not wait for that invariable "Gold Edition"? The only drawback I've noticed is that with very popular games, it takes a looonnnggg time for the Gold Edition to come out (i.e. Age of Empires).

For me personally, I cannot see shelling out my hard-earned cash for a game that does not have an essential component in it that I want, not to mention a component that was originally stated as being a part of the game.

I WILL wait, Yin. You can count me as one of the few to take your challenge and use my power as a consumer.

[Colonel Kraken]

Originally posted by drake
I hear europa universalis is good....oh and I think it came with MP features!

Yup! That's my Christmas game: EU II.

Nah, nah, Firaxis.

[Moral Hazard]

Wolfenstien is coming out on November 7th, so I'll have a new game to play. Not to mention finishing BG2, Giants, and Seadogs. So no I don't need Civ, like some of this ****ers.

It's amazing how people assume that MP is the only victim. I don't know, but I think it's possible there could be others, such as proper scenario support.

[Neuronix]

I'm with Yin

I'm very ready to cancel my LE pre-order. I agree with Yin, Firaxis has deliberately deceived us by telling us the MP would be a part of the game, then removing it from the game, and keeping the entire thing very hush-hush.

I'm waiting until I hear a statement on Firaxis on the issue, but if I don't hear anything, or I don't hear something I like, I'm definately cancelling it. If a free MP patch won't be released until at least May of 2002, then I will go buy Civ3 in May 2002 when it is $20 sitting in the EB bargain bin because the game is more or less long forgotten because of the lack of MP support. You think I trust a company to provide free updates? Unless they say "MP is coming very soon," I'm willing to bet that they would promise it in a patch and then put it in an expansion pack. Wouldn't be the first time I got burned like that.

Frankly, every game now includes MP support, and IMO the decision not to include MP will make the game only appeal to a small hardcore segment and the game, no matter how good the SP is, will fizzle out rather quickly.

[Steve Clark]

yin, why do you keep wasting your time here? Do you constantly feel the need to get your ego stroked??? I thought you were much more intelligent than someone who comes across whining publically because he didn't get all of his toys for Christmas.

My advice? Go play one of the many hundreds of other games, particularly the ones with MP. You do know about some of them, don't you?

Because of your immature rant, I went out and pre-ordered a SECOND copy of Civ3 LE.

I try to ignore any pre-release hype. To say that you (and others) were sold on the game because of the MP promise proves that you are shallow and gullible. I don't care about MP but I know others do. So don't buy it then, no big deal. And if some reason Civ3 can't support building scenarios, no big deal, I'll go buy and play something else.

So there.

[drake]

Yeah, what neuronix said

I'll look for civ 3 in the bargain bin

"but if I go cold, I won't get sold,
I get put in the back in the discount rack
Like another can of beans"

Kudos to whoever can identify where that line came from.

[Colonel Kraken]

Re: I'm with Yin

Originally posted by Neuronix
. . . then I will go buy Civ3 in May 2002 when it is $20 sitting in the EB bargain bin because the game is more or less long forgotten because of the lack of MP support.

Umm, doubtful.

Frankly, every game now includes MP support, and IMO the decision not to include MP will make the game only appeal to a small hardcore segment and the game, no matter how good the SP is, will fizzle out rather quickly.

But you may have a point. If they're looking to target a new audience, they better take one serious hard look at the fact that MP is an assumed component of games nowadays.

Simply amazing, Firaxis.

[Jason Beaudoin]

YIN! WHY DO YOU HATE FIRAXIS SO MUCH? WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOU?

EXPLAIN!

[drake]

How about used him?

[Th0mas]

Re: Well...

Originally posted by Ozymandous


What theories........

*snip*

....Heh, and I'll be playing the Gold version og Railroad Tycoon 2, Jagged Alliance 2, Age of Kings & Conquerors, finishing Icewind Dale, finishing Baldurs Gate 2, and maybe even Stronghold. I have plenty to do, and plenty of games to play. I guess that's why my game playing experience doesn't hinge on this one game (so I can wait) as others seem to do.

I refer you to mjs0's posts, as he explains it better than myself: apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=525463#post525463

however.....

I am glad that you have time to play all those games and I wish I had that luxury - unfortunately with two young children and a demanding wife - having my own time is rare and therefore by implication very precious. I have chosen to play CIV III in that time above all other contenders.

[HalfLotus]

I'll be happy with SP til MP comes out. Then I'll go buy MP. I'm happy to pay for good products, which I believe Civ3 will be.
Yin can do what he wants, and so can the rest of you. If you thinks it's worth it, buy it. If not, dont.

[Steve Clark]

Originally posted by drake
Yin, give it up man. These people just don't enjoy the idea of competition. The prospect of losing doesnt appeal to these people. They like the "win everytime" comfort that comes with SP games. Can't convince them otherwise, so just let it go......

drake, ever played a minor nation in one of the WW2 scenarios?

[Max Webster]

Go Yin Go

[August Borms]

Originally posted by drake
Yin, give it up man. These people just don't enjoy the idea of competition. The prospect of losing doesnt appeal to these people. They like the "win everytime" comfort that comes with SP games. Can't convince them otherwise, so just let it go......

TROLL!!!

You play Civ to win? How childish
More mature gamers like me prefer to roleplay which is virtually impossible online, because MP is ruled by 12year old kids.
I'll just stick to playing Civ3 SP and cheat to give the AI strategically important cities and lots of units. Will I ever lose in SP? No. Will I ever win? No, I'll just stop playing when I get bored with it.

Have fun playing Civ 2, AC, or CTP MP