No FREE MP = CANCEL your orders / DON'T buy Civ3

[Max Webster]

I will

[Fidel]

cmon, this has already been elaborated...
yin = sid

he is just teasing you people, or building his position for a clash with suits....

[Jahi]

i'm gonna buy it no matter what. the only MP i'm really looking for is PBEM anyway

[drake]

More mature gamers like me prefer to roleplay which is virtually impossible online, because MP is ruled by 12year old kids.

I may be a troll, but you're an ignorant dumbass. This isn't at all true.

Btw, the games I play are all about role playing. There are quite a few circles that use civ as a platform for role playing.

And how may I ask do you f*cking role play with the AI?! Role playing requires dialogue and interaction. And unless you have a friendly little sock you put on your hand and talk to while you play civ, there is no dialogue or interaction.

Winning is childish?
So I suppose any sort of competition is childish, because no one plays to lose, they play to win......I can just see it, Micheal Jordan or other athletes not playing hard or "quitting" because winning is "childish" .

drake, ever played a minor nation in one of the WW2 scenarios?

Nope sure havent.....I like building civs from the ground up and dealing with each aspect of the game......scenarios really aren't my thing........I'm sure it is a challenge, but its not the stock civ game that I'm talking about......

[Mannamagnus]

Riddle: Who's the elusive leader of the jihad against Firaxis?

[Mannamagnus]

Answer: Osama Yin Laden.

[Fidel]

ummm, isaac brook?

[vonManstein]

Baaaa

I'm buying Civ 3.

And yes, I'm a sheep. A sheep that doesn't play MP.

[August Borms]

Originally posted by drake

I may be a troll, but you're an ignorant dumbass. This isn't at all true.


Btw, the games I play are all about role playing. There are quite a few circles that use civ as a platform for role playing.

And how may I ask do you f*cking role play with the AI?! Role playing requires dialogue and interaction. And unless you have a friendly little sock you put on your hand and talk to while you play civ, there is no dialogue or interaction.

If you're braindead, yes then you may need outside dialogue and interaction, real roleplayers use their creativity and imagination to create the perfect rp'ing experience

Quake 3 Arena can also be used "as a platform for roleplaying" according to some people

Winning is childish?
So I suppose any sort of competition is childish, because no one plays to lose, they play to win......I can just see it, Micheal Jordan or other athletes not playing hard or "quitting" because winning is "childish" .

Athletes their career is based on winning. Civ is just a game, not a competition. Unless you consider Civ your career

Teacher: "Jimmy, what do you want to do when you grow up?"
Jimmy: "I want to play and win Civ3 mp!!1"

Unemployment Office: "So... mr Jim, what kind of job would you prefer?"
Jim: "I want to play and win Civ3 mp!!1"

[Pembleton]

Everyone has a right to complain and should do so.

But the posts here, most especially the original one sound like we were being oppressed by the government by having our civil liberties violated or freedom of speech taken away. If you people protested with this much passion about more important causes such as global human rights or something, the world might be a little better off.

It's a game people! Get a life! I know this may sound offensive or insulting, but this is not my intention.

I've been disappointed many times by games. The latest is the huge debacle of Pool of Radiance in which they released a game that could not be installed on some computers and even had the possibility of deleting important windows files during uninstall. I posted for a while in the POR forums for a while before that game was released but did I stick around and constantly complain? No. I have deleted that forum from my favorites and will never return.

You people could do all us sheep a favor by leaving for a while and come back when MP is released. I want to hear some constructive criticism rather than whining about that MP is not being released.

And Yin26! You aren't getting the game until May even if it did have MP! Go do something else! Why are you still here? And, I repeat, I don't mean to be insulting, I just don't understand why you people must continue to say the same thing over and over and over and over and over. Do something productive that will make you happy! As much as you complain, the game's gold. There is no MP. Sorry. Move on.

We've heard the same exact thing before and don't need it to be repeated again and again and again and again. Good Lord.



Now I know you people will continue to complain and this post will do no good to stop them from happening. But I just had to voice my opinion.

[drake]

If you're braindead, yes then you may need outside dialogue and interaction, real roleplayers use their creativity and imagination to create the perfect rp'ing experience

Bet you feel the same way about your love life too. Why find a real partner when I can dream up one?

Civ is just a game, but so is baseball, or football. Just because people pay to see it does not mean it isn't still just a game.

I play civ for recreation. I don't play because I want to be the best in the world or be the "king of civ". But i sure as hell play to win. Everyone does. No one starts a game thinking "I am going to shoot for the #3 best civ this game". Do you assut?

Your argument is weak and your "facts" about the MP community are laughably in-accurate.

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by Colonel Kraken
That Firaxis purported to include MP in Civ 3 and maintained that position (through silence) up until now is troubling at best. I, for one, cannot understand why they could not at least include Hotseat and PBEM with the initial release as these a relatively easy modifications to implement. If it had been concluded many months ago that MP would NOT be included with the initial release, why did Firaxis not jump on the tiger and grab it by the ears and announce their intentions. As Yin has pointed out before, they could have submited an official announcement stating: this is why we did it and this is what we're going to do to make it up to you.

Ladies and Gentlemen, you can see the point is not if you'll play MP or not. The point is if Firaxis was promising a main game feature or not while shops already accepted Pre-Order.

Sure, products can be under change, but you can accept this for minor point of the game (some units, some change on interface, etc.).

OTOH, are the shops who offer pre-order and are customers ready to sign for them well before they know the game enough.

I simply miss the needs for a preorder of a game, if you haven't others benefits (e.g. lower price or some free add-on).

In a fair market pre-ordering customers should at least deserve a free upgrade to promised feature (i.e. MP), still if others customers would have a choice to buy a game SP as-is (but knowing what they are paying for) and pay an MP expansion later.

Yin, you use too much bold and large fonts in your initial post, IMHO. You also spent too much effort for people who don't want to listen to yours (and others) advices.

This is a crusade who can't rescue any soul, Yin. Let them alone with their unlimited faith and enjoy others pleasure

[freemen]

Trust

I only trust 2 or 3 game compagny. One is Strategy First, who release Sudden Strike, Westwood, even if the late game they release wasnt the product i want it, and Sid Meier. I know with those compagny I can get quality game, that respond that what i need in a game. I dont give **** that other people said about MP. I always think that civilisation is a SP games and I havent played to MP civilisation. Some games are Mp like command and conquer or any RTS game. But an Turn-Base game who go MP, and u have to wait 10 min to play your turn is call a game. If u dont want to buy the game unless he has MP, then good, it will have more to the people who want the game and give **** about if MP is it or not in the package

[Taliseian]

Civ III MP

I don't post on the boards very often. Usually, what I want to say has already been said (as I will freely admit at the start that this is the case here).

When I bought my first computer, the guy who sold it to me new threw in a copy of any game that I wanted to play. The game that I got was Civilization.

I was hooked.

No doubt about it.

My wife (now ex) was pissed at how much time I would spend playing Civ.

When Civ II came out, I was the first at my local EB to pre-order and pick up the game...waiting at the store for it to open that day to get it (I had taken the day off just for Civ II).

I was the same way when Alpha Centauri came out.

Thru all those games, not once did I have the slightest desire to play against another human.

I've done many hot seat games of Warlords II (now that was a fun hot seater), and several PBEM games of Advanced Civ (by Avalon Hill). I could possibly be interested in doing someting like that for Civ II or SMAC, but the one thing that kills it for me everytime is my own personal play style.

I'm guilty of taking forever on turns. I know I'd piss off everyone in the game because I micromanage. Or, I'd be pissed off if I didn't have enough time to play.

If an adequate PBEM mode for Civ III were made available, I would be interested, but it is not a hot selling point for me.

But hot seat or MP?? No way.

Yin, if this is your cause, I wish you the best. If this is something that drives you everyday....just like I was driven when Civ came out, and when Civ II came out, and when SMAC came out I hope you get what you want.

You'll find no support from me, tho.



Taliseian

[yin26]

Yin - I wish I had the strength of will to cancel my order, but I don't so I won't but I support anyone who decides not to buy the game because of this.

Hey, totally understood...and thanks for the support anyway.

I WILL wait, Yin. You can count me as one of the few to take your challenge and use my power as a consumer.

Right on! And to some of the other great support posts here: Thanks for your clear view of the situation!

Ladies and Gentlemen, you can see the point is not if you'll play MP or not. The point is if Firaxis was promising a main game feature or not while shops already accepted Pre-Order.

AB-SO-FRIGGEN-LUTELY! (...just for that, I'll reduce my font size...)

Like I made absolutely clear despite the large fonts and colors some people ignored (Hello, Steve?), I am not against MP being delayed, etc. But I am TOTALLY against MP being hyped up as part of the game, being leaked out as NOT in the game in an unprofessional e-mail, and then again only being totally unprofessionally confirmed as NOT in by some gaming magazine interview.

Pathetic.

You guys who buy this game DESERVE any crap Firaxis decides to shove down your throats. So why do I hang around? To watch you come to realize you should have spent your money when the advertised game was actually available.

But hey...if you guys don't mind paying once to be beta testers and once AGAIN for the complete product, feel free. I'll thank you for your hard work later.