Civ3.com: 16 Civs in a huge world!?

[El hidalgo]

This is terrible news -- we're all going to flunk out of school, get fired, break up with girlfriends, etc.

I have no doubt you will be able to play as many civs as you want on any size map. In fact, I would be willing to bet on it, but I'm not sure if that would be legal.

All of these little tidbits of news that keep dribbling out... There is no doubt in my mind we've only seen the tip of the iceberg... This is going to be the mother of all... well, let's just say I bought stock in Infogrames today, and I recommend you do the same!

[Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS]

Originally posted by monkspider
Yes!! 16 civs! I wonder if editors will allow 16 civs on some of the smaller maps?

Originally posted by dainbramaged13
no, i definetly think thaty youi will be able to play with however many civs you want on whatever size map... those numbers are just defaults or something, and if theyre not editable in the interface, theybve got to be in the editor or rules.txt...

Yes. Using the editor you can allow 16 civs to be played on smaller map sizes and also change the default sizes of the maps. Of course, the map size must be large enough to be able to place 16 civs somewhere on the map. You can also use the editor to play the larger maps with less civs if you want.

[Warm Beer]

Originally posted by Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS




Yes. Using the editor you can allow 16 civs to be played on smaller map sizes and also change the default sizes of the maps...

Thus, without the editor you can play 16 civs on the default map size for said # of civs?

[yin26]

Which means you MUST use the editor to use 16 civs on anything but the largest map...why? Surely it is no big simply to let the gamer decide the number of civs and map size on launch...correct? I'm already hearing the answer:

"We have worked hard to maximize the AI according to the number of civs and map size. While players are free to use the editor to setup anything they like, we don't recommend playing anything other than the default values available on startup."

Strange...

[Warm Beer]

I thought that without the editor, one could only play with 8 civs... that seems to have changed. Operative word in that sentance is 'seems'.

I'm not complaining, tho. Just lookin for facts

[knott]

i hope the will create blocks of civs fighting each other.

[lockstep]

If the AI couldn´t cope with 16 civs on a tiny map, I wouldn´t twit Firaxis for creating a 'bad AI'.

Anyway, if I can play with 16 civs at the same time on a huge map (including a decent foreign advisor screen showing the relations between civs) and have to use the editor one time to change the default setting for a normal world to 10 or 12 civs, I wouldn´t call that bad news.

[Yog-Sothoth]

Only 8 civs was the thing I was most dissapointed with, so this is great news



Can't wait to play the scenario's that will use 16 civs. No more of the "neutral civ" that so often ended up being the strongest of them all.



Great work Firaxis

[Lancer]

I...I...I'm becoming aroused...

[Boris Godunov]

I...I...I'm becoming aroused...

Tell me about it!

Between this news and seeing the video, I've got major wood...

More towels!!!

[Oligarf]

Damn how happy can you be?

16 CIV's, hell that's great.
HUGE maps, even greater.
Can I really design my own gov, I am happy and I know someone who will be even more happy. FRESNO, where are you!

Boys (and girls?) thanks for this great news, my weekend is perfect now.

Oligarf

[Steve Clark]

Originally posted by Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS
Yes. Using the editor you can allow 16 civs to be played on smaller map sizes and also change the default sizes of the maps. Of course, the map size must be large enough to be able to place 16 civs somewhere on the map. You can also use the editor to play the larger maps with less civs if you want.

Didn't I say that earlier?

Also, as we went round and round a few months ago, don't assume that more is more regarding playing with 9+ civs. I would willing to bet that many, if not most, of you will find that playing with that many civs will make the game too unwieldy and waaaay too long for your taste.

Do you have the patience to play a single Civ3 game that could possibly take 40+ hours to complete? Even playing with 16 on a normal (or smaller) map, don't you think that half of them will be reduced or eliminated early on so you still end up dealing with no more than 7 when it comes down to it?

[Saint Marcus]

I would willing to bet that many, if not most, of you will find that playing with that many civs will make the game too unwieldy and waaaay too long for your taste.

Not me I love long games! in civ2 I change the tech paradigm to 100/10 so it takes 10 times as long. Great fun!

Do you have the patience to play a single Civ3 game that could possibly take 40+ hours to complete?

40, 80, 120 hours. Bring it on!!! Who needs sleep anyway?

Even playing with 16 on a normal (or smaller) map, don't you think that half of them will be reduced or eliminated early on so you still end up dealing with no more than 7 when it comes down to it?

New ones will take the place of the fallen ones, if they are avaliavle that is (custom civs). Also, the maps can be made up to 6 times the size of civ2, giving plenty of room for more civs. even the "standard" huge setting is 2 times as big as the biggest civ2 map!

[dainbramaged13]

Originally posted by yin26
Which means you MUST use the editor to use 16 civs on anything but the largest map...why? Sur++++it is no big simply to let the gamer decide the number of civs and map size on launch...correct? I'm already hearing the answer:

"We have worked hard to maximize the AI according to the number of civs and map size. While players are free to use the editor to setup anything they like, we don't recommend playing anything other than the default values available on startup."

Strange...

can it yin.

i would actually like it if the ai was better, maybe you wouldn't... but hey, youre entitled to your own opinion...

[lockstep]

Originally posted by Steve Clark
Do you have the patience to play a single Civ3 game that could possibly take 40+ hours to complete?

I like to outline plans for the next phase of a long game. BTW, 16 civs are an option.

Even playing with 16 on a normal (or smaller) map, don't you think that half of them will be reduced or eliminated early on so you still end up dealing with no more than 7 when it comes down to it?

We don´t know the accurate effects of culture, but I guess the share of civs outliving the early game will increase.

Take a look at this replay screenshot (http://www.civ3.com/images/screenshots/replay.jpg): All 8 civs have survived till 1330 AD, and I´d say 7 have a good chance to survive the next turns. Granted, this game may have taken place on a large or huge map, but the civs seem to have made contact some time ago, so my hopes for the standard map are up.