Greatest disappointement ever

[Grim Legacy]

Originally posted by LaRusso
i am not confusing it. running 1024 on small screen is as painful for the eyes.....and gets better only if you have a big screen...by which time you get epileptic because it is so big...

Ok.

Well let me just say that epilepsy is a condition that is quite rare. if you seriously suffer from epileptic seizures, the use of a LCD screen might be advisable.

[Buck Birdseed]

Grim: 3%? Hardly. 45% of everyone who uses this site (according to these statistics) have "inferior" resolutions. Monitors are one of those components that do not drop in price dramatically at the same reverse exponential rate as most hardware, and it's often not the priority during an upgrade. When I ask myself what would increase gaming performance the most- a 17" monitor or that extra DIMM of RAM and that nice new processor I've been looking at I know what the answer is, at least for me. Plus, most office machines have small monitors, especially laptops. All the machines at my University (where I plan to play multiplayer games of Civ3) have 15" monitors that look pretty horrid at 1024*768.

That said, I did run SMAC on 1024*768. Although my desktop is horrible at that resolution, it hurts my eyes from size and not from lack of a decent refresh rate. Civ3, from what I've seen so far, uses big, clear fonts that could well be seen on a 15" monitor just as well.

Where are the 800*600 desktop wallpapers?

[Solver]

Originally posted by MarkG
solver, you have a 6 months old graphics card and a monitor that wont support 1024x768?????

Exactly. My monitor is approximately 6 years old ! proud with that. And I love it, it was at home when I first got a PC at home, and have nostalgic feelings. And, note that buying a new monitor would cost me the same money as civ 3 itself.
Look, Firaxis only ask for 350 MHz, which is not much - so they don't leave people with little proccessing powers and memory out in the cold, having to upgrade, but they are killing people with little resolution monitors.

Maybe it is the monitor that makes me sick at 1024, as sometimes it really looks nice, I must admit.

But having wallpaper only for 1024 and higher, is laughing at us. . :lunatic:. :crazy:. .

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Snapcase
45% of everyone who uses this site (according to these statistics) have "inferior" resolutions

correction: 45% of the visitors in the entire history of apolyton used lower resolutions. this doesnt mean that percentage is the same today or that they dont have the capability to use 1024x768


solver, it seems like you wont be playing civ3 cause you have feeling for your monitor. it's about time you make a choice pal

[Buck Birdseed]

Mark: The price of a 17" monitor has not drastically changed since 1998. This leads me to believe that many people just don't bother to buy one.

But it's not 3%, you've gotta realise that.

[Grim Legacy]

Originally posted by Snapcase
Grim: 3%? Hardly. 45% of everyone who uses this site (according to these statistics) have "inferior" resolutions. Monitors are one of those components that do not drop in price dramatically at the same reverse exponential rate as most hardware, and it's often not the priority during an upgrade. When I ask myself what would increase gaming performance the most- a 17" monitor or that extra DIMM of RAM and that nice new processor I've been looking at I know what the answer is, at least for me. Plus, most office machines have small monitors, especially laptops. All the machines at my University (where I plan to play multiplayer games of Civ3) have 15" monitors that look pretty horrid at 1024*768.

That said, I did run SMAC on 1024*768. Although my desktop is horrible at that resolution, it hurts my eyes from size and not from lack of a decent refresh rate. Civ3, from what I've seen so far, uses big, clear fonts that could well be seen on a 15" monitor just as well.

Where are the 800*600 desktop wallpapers?

Hm. I do stand by my point that the resolution is not too much to ask. And, to retain some credibility, I'll point to the fact that there is a big chunk of people already running 1024*678 even according to your stats.

Furthermore, I question the validity of these stats. Your stats have been counting since 1998!!! That means that they are inaccurate -showing results from people who have long since upgraded.

Adressing your claim that monitors are relatively expensive (I agree, but -the required 17" monitor can be bought new for a mere 107 USD, according to pricewatch.

I also think that "office machines" should not concern Sid & Co...after all, it is obvius what those machines should be used for!

[Grim Legacy]

Originally posted by Solver


Exactly. My monitor is approximately 6 years old ! proud with that. And I love it, it was at home when I first got a PC at home, and have nostalgic feelings. And, note that buying a new monitor would cost me the same money as civ 3 itself.
Look, Firaxis only ask for 350 MHz, which is not much - so they don't leave people with little proccessing powers and memory out in the cold, having to upgrade, but they are killing people with little resolution monitors.

Maybe it is the monitor that makes me sick at 1024, as sometimes it really looks nice, I must admit.

But having wallpaper only for 1024 and higher, is laughing at us. . :lunatic:. :crazy:. .

More injustice cries out from your post.

6 years old!!! Six years ago, a Pentium 133 was the best you could buy. They require a P2-350 -a processor less than three years old-, which you find reasonable, however. I urge you to extend your acceptance to the monitor arena as well.

[Grim Legacy]

Originally posted by Snapcase
Mark: The price of a 17" monitor has not drastically changed since 1998. This leads me to believe that many people just don't bother to buy one.

But it's not 3%, you've gotta realise that.

Let me assure it has. I bought a 17" monitor back in Aug 1997 for about USD 600. Now, the best 17" screens cost less than USD 300.

I admiot it's not as bad as other PC parts, but it's far from "not changed drastically since 98".

[Sparky]

OMG stop your whining. It's about time that civ 3 and other games take advantage of new hardware. I've seen people complaining that their PI 166 won't work. Of course not... it's too old. Computers are cheap, people! You can't even buy a Dell below celeron 800.

For that 166 guy, you can upgrade that PI to a pentium pro for $3. or, reach a low level "midrange computer" upgrade to a PII300 for $31. Don't complain about Ram --- this is an era you can get 128 PC 133 SDRAM for $20 (I did, three weeks ago).

And you can get some really, really cheap monitors that run 1024x768. I've seen a 1992 14'' screen do it -- in fact, I have it mothballed in the attic.

The moral of the story, save your allowance for a month, go to [url] www.pricewatch.com [url/], and quadruple the speed of your system.

[Solver]

Six years ago it was amazing. It is 15" - for these times, wow!
Yes Markos, I do have feelings for my monitor. BTW, I set it to 1024 at work today, to try how it feels, on a 17". Damn my eyes did hurt. I set it back in two minutes. This is absolutely the worst I can expect from Firaxis. Goddamned "support politics". I'm not the only one!

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Solver
BTW, I set it to 1024 at work today, to try how it feels, on a 17". Damn my eyes did hurt. I set it back in two minutes.

i dont recall the last time i used a 15" i have 17" both at home and at work.....
UPGRADE TO THE 21ST CENTURY SOLVER!!!!

[Grim Legacy]

Originally posted by MarkG
UPGRADE TO THE 21ST CENTURY!!!!

Go Mark GO!

[Sabre2th]

Solver: I do feel sorry for you and I wish you could play the game on your current monitor, but you are a very small minority. Most people do not have 6 year old monitors. Also keep in mind that the game will look and feel much different from a windows desktop or whatever. I remember trying CtP at 800x600 and couldn't do it. Not enough fit on the screen. Firaxis had to draw the line somewhere and I'm sorry you got left behind, but the company may not be able to give you what you want.

[Adm.Naismith]

Sys req. has been know from a while, now (appeared on Infogrames site) and confirmed today. I don't understand all this angry

I guessed about 1024*768 since first scan appeared, taken from a magazine. I have trouble, because my notebook only work 800*600 (and, as any notebook, can't be upgraded at all on graphic).

Well, hopefully I'll change it in november, so I'll be able to play the game, if first players will assure me about the quality and low bugs number

[Solver]

OK all, do you know what I actually want? I want an official response from Firaxis to this - either yes, it is theoretically possible to run Civ 3 on 800x600, or we will add full support for 800x600, or no, there is absolutely no way one can run Civ 3 on 800x600, and it will not be possible.
The last is, of course, less welcome, but even then, I think it is better than the uncertainity, so a resonse from Dan Magaha would greatly ease everything for me.
But again, I must say, this issue is bringing tears to my eyes. It promieses to be so damn good that I was even going to get Civ 3 the first day it's available - even though it would be entirely possible to wait a few weeks, and the price would drop dramatically. I kept thinking about civ 3, and was rabbing my palms in impatience, and now news come that it looks like I can entirely forget about civ 3 for the next 18 months.
Lack of knowledge might force me, as I mentioned, to first get a pirate copy and seek for possibilities, and only then buying the game really, for I don't want to put out 40-50$ just to find out I can not run the game.

Firaxis even ask for only 32 MB RAM, though I guess everybody has more, as running something with 32 MB is pain, unless all you run is Word.
Requirements are very low, as it has always been with civ series, except one area. . Where is that cry smilie?

I am also ashamed to be behind the line, Sabreth, but I believe I'm not quite in a minority. In monitor age, I'm in minority, no doubt, but as for the resolution, I'm not, as there are some more people wanting to run 800x600.

Markos, argh. You upgrade your OS, you're still in 19th century because of that .