Solution to the spearman - tank problem?

[ratster]

That was, hmmm maybe 10 years ago now. Some guy got pissed, went nuts, stole a tank from the local NG armory(as I recall). Started running things over, don't think he killed anybody(with the tank), did a lot of damage though. Yeah, no come out with your hands up on that one. They opened the hatch and shot him.

[asleepathewheel]

hmm, I vaguely remember that....

[Nubclear]

Anyway...Could SOMEBODY do it for me? (It being change the unit settings to make the game a bit more realistic)
I'm too lazy to do it myself.....Not to mention I don't have the game

[Kuciwalker]

what are you complaining about then

[:) Smiley]

Originally posted by CerberusIV


The Italian invasion of Abyssinia in the 1930's. The locals managed to climb onto several of the Italian Fiat Ansaldo tanks and kill the crews by stabbing them with spears through the vision slits.

A one off only made possible by poorly designed tanks but even so...

Alright. Case closed.

It's a good thing that bombers in Civ3 work the way they do. Then people would be yapping about how spearmen downed a bomber.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Well no offense intended, however your disagreement is irrelevant.

Actually, what you said was flat out wrong. And it is relevant cause Civ just doesnt play that way. I said I disagreed with you, knowing what you said was just plain wrong. It wasnt an opinion.

I see it with my eyes. And I really did try to overlook it: Pretend it didn't happen at all. But it happend over and over again.
It's actually quite condesending for you, living whereever you are living, to tell me that it's not happening

Actually I even said it happened to ME couple of times. Especially with defense modifiers.

I dont understand why you make a big deal out of this as its NOT happening over and over again. Its all percentage chance and one large scale it abides by roughly the correct percentage.

If its a matter of value of 2 losing to an 16, get it in your head! Its based on probability! It would be odd if spears never won against tanks. (once again... especially with defense modifiers!!)

If its a matter of realism, you said so yourself... there other things to worry about... such as same guy ruling the country for 4000 years etc.. And really.... I dont understand realism obsessed freaks..

[Nubclear]

what are you complaining about then

I'm saying if it were fixed, I might buy the game. In fact, if it were fixed I *would* buy the game.

Actually, what you said was flat out wrong.

I dont understand why you make a big deal out of this as its NOT happening over and over again.

Sigh.
Yes it is.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
I'm saying if it were fixed, I might buy the game. In fact, if it were fixed I *would* buy the game.

What? Theres nothing to fix. Thats how the game works. Dont buy it.

Sigh.
Yes it is.

No offense, then partly it is your fault. You just suck at civ or dont know how to play it.

[vmxa1]

The Comrade likes to troll from time to time.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Zero
No offense, then partly it is your fault. You just suck at civ or dont know how to play it.

"There is no such problem! In fact, it is your fault! You do not know how to play. There is no problem, therefore it needs not be corrected."

Typical...I was expecting a response such as that.

[Mountain Sage]

I remember (plain vanilla civ3) that an elite spearman took out one of my tanks and became a GL! I even let the Romans (I think) make an army for the fun of it (it became a 2 legions, 1 musket army).
I told myself that that particular spearman had in fact a big can-opener.
Anyway, a civ still having spearman around when you have tanks is not a real threat. If it is, then YOU have a real problem.
BTW: civ 3 is not a wargame. Funny that nobody mentioned it.

[Plotinus]

I'm puzzled at the suggestion that having player-controlled battles will "solve" the "problem" that inferior units sometimes defeat superior ones. Given that the AI in the game as it stands is inferior to real intelligence, wouldn't we expect players starting to hold off huge mechanised forces with a bunch of guys with rocks every time, once they had learned the tricks of doing so?

[Todd Hawks]

So true!

And for those people that absolutely need an explanation for everything: You pay upkeep for your troops all the time. Don't you think over time the spears get old and the troops will buy some heavier equipment?

I mean... All the game does is take some numbers and throws them at each other. A tank is no tank, it represents an armored division including supply vehicles and artillery, radio, and so on...
Or, more abstract, it represents the ability of your armed forces to strike in that area with an attack value of whatever. The tank itself is just a neat graphical representation for that. Same with spearman. They are no real spearman. They simply are forces with a certain defense value. One you know. So whats the point in complaining about it?

[Pep]

Originally posted by Todd Hawks
So true!

And for those people that absolutely need an explanation for everything: You pay upkeep for your troops all the time. Don't you think over time the spears get old and the troops will buy some heavier equipment?

Well, I see a unit of spearman in modern times composed by new men (the older are retired or deceased) who also need to be paid. Unless we consider that the citizens in Civ3 are elves: they don`t die due to age (well, this is the case of the civilization leaders).

But, seriously, I don`t think a motorized unit could be destroyed by a spearman. Damaged to 1 health point at much. Hope this will be solved in Civ4 ...

[spy14]

We can hope this will be solved but it wont be. Balancing a game like Civ is effing hard to do, and there will always be something that someone wont like