Why did they remove Fundamentalism from vanilla Civilization III?

[Capt Dizle]

Fundy ain't in because of people like David Murray. Spoilsport.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Mad Bomber
It was way to controversial after Sept 11 and it got the axe shortly thereafter.

Sid was quoted as saying that they just couldn't make it work (balance) so they scrapped it. I think your version is closer to the truth.

[Mr. President]

I remind you that we are not here to continue the OT wars.

[Mr. President]

Having said that, I absolutely think it was too powerful in its previous form. Maybe adding something like in Alpha Centauri with a combat bonus, while removing some of the more overpowering advantages like massive unit support, would have helped.

[Tattila the Hun]

Maybe ad a rank beyond elite to any fanatical governments? Fundamentalism, fascism...

[Underseer]

It was way to controversial after Sept 11 and it got the axe shortly thereafter.

What a crock. The Puritans (excuse me, "practicioners of the Official State-Sanctioned Religion") have been trying to turn us into a theocracy since Day 1. If anything not allowing fundamentalist governments is too controversial.

[Kuciwalker]

So what? The point is, if adding it would cause fewer sales than not adding it, then they won't add it. No value judgements are being made; it's just business.

[Switch]

Originally posted by Underseer


What a crock. The Puritans (excuse me, "practicioners of the Official State-Sanctioned Religion") have been trying to turn us into a theocracy since Day 1. If anything not allowing fundamentalist governments is too controversial.

And just a little point, a theocracy is different than a fundamentalist gov't. Ancient Egypt and biblical Isreal were theocracies, modern afghanistan is fundamentalist.

[Skanky Burns]

Too powerful, pointless government form.

[CiverDan]

Mad Bomber, Fundamentalism was removed before 9/11 due to game balance issues. It was more or less "replaced" with Fascism in C3C, in the since they are both more or less all our war governments. The "Plant Nuke", "Poison Water Supply" "Destroy Building" spy options, were, on the other hand, removed for sensitivity reasons as the game was released late in 2001.

[Underseer]

And just a little point, a theocracy is different than a fundamentalist gov't. Ancient Egypt and biblical Isreal were theocracies, modern afghanistan is fundamentalist.

Yes. Fundamentalism is a way of looking at religion, theocracy is a form of government. I understand the difference. But even in the time of the founding fathers, a certain segment of certain relitions have been pushing for a theocracy and never quite got over the fact that we're not.

[Stefu]

crazies like McVeigh and born again Christian lunatic Presidents don't characterize Christianity?

McVeigh was an agnostic.

Slightly pointless, I know, but it's a pet peeve...

[Underseer]

McVeigh was an agnostic.

Slightly pointless, I know, but it's a pet peeve...

True, but he didn't exactly travel in secular circles, did he? Hence the confusion.

[pauli]

Originally posted by CiverDan
Mad Bomber, Fundamentalism was removed before 9/11 due to game balance issues. It was more or less "replaced" with Fascism in C3C, in the since they are both more or less all our war governments. The "Plant Nuke", "Poison Water Supply" "Destroy Building" spy options, were, on the other hand, removed for sensitivity reasons as the game was released late in 2001.

...and it's about time for them to put them back in.

i'd been really hoping they'd do so for c3c. oh well :/

[Dis]

I think that's bogus. Those features should be put back in. True I never used them in civ2, so it's not big loss.