Tobacco? For Shame Firaxis!

[Egbert]

Umh, We may indulge in slavery, ethnic cleansing, genocide, nuclear holocaust, pillaging and piracy and yet we have some one indignant that we might have a tobacco resource????

It seems that in the real world we have a never ending political correctness resource to piss everyone off and reduce culture. Should this resource be included in Civ3 for added realism???

[Aramis]

Of course! Then we can have Holistic Medicine as a small wonder, as well as Labor Unions, and Eye Care Specialists. Then we could have an option to educate our citizens about the health dangers associated with obesity. Perhaps Lyme disease should be addressed. Firaxis really failed in not making cholesterol an issue in the game.
Maybe a new resource could be fat-free foods.
Of course my biggest complaint is the total lack by the game designers to even touch on the issue of bus fumes.

[brianshapiro]

pipes, no i think tobacco leaves will be the icons

[Chieftess]

hehe, technically, on CFC, tabacco would be against the forum rules.

Of course, it's just a game (and tabbaco was a major local export - by local I mean my state of Maryland - USA). Maybe we could call them Cuban Cigars?

[alva]

Accoring to the press release here, Firaxis is including tobacco as a luxury resource. While this is historically correct, I find this inclusion appalling. Tobacco consumption amounts to a world-wide health disaster.

But you have nope problem with,ohh say, nukes?!

[Kuciwalker]

Go back to the OT forum where you belong.

[MrWhereItsAt]

With Coal, Oil, Uranium etc boosting prodcuction through the use of improvements that have pollution risks associated with them, perhaps an alternative to stopping tobacco from being used is to have it as a strategic resource (it's easy to add them in - just look at the Double Your Pleasure mod), and make its happiness benefits arise from buiding an Improvement, say a Tobacconist (thanks Colonization!), which also has either a high maintenance cost or imposes some other cost.

Surely nuclear power is a far more controversial and dangerous issue than smoking. Yet I see no-one annoyed at Firaxis for including nuclear power plants, which happen to be perfectly safe and only beneficial, unless you happen to have a city in disorder. This is even further from the truth than smoking's only effect being happiness. Yet both of these exist and have a very large effect on modern society (and in tobacco's case, on past society too), so what we see is merely an approximation of a real-life effect from that item.

Or does someone now want to protest the inclusion of Nukes and Nuclear power in Civ3?

[Willem]

Originally posted by statusperfect




cheers

No, no, not those kind of pipes.

[statusperfect]

Originally posted by Willem


No, no, not those kind of pipes.

We could MOD it

cheers

[Willem]

Originally posted by ALPHA WOLF 64
i already use tobacco as a luxury and I gave it a -1 shield to reflect decreased production from cancer deaths. the penalty only takes effect if its a bonus grassland or the tile is mined. i do wish that luxuries could become obsolete. I made tobacco available with industrialization and would like to make it obsolete with longevity or some health tech. (same concept would be nice for other luxuries).

Yes, I like that idea too. It's a little sillly that your people want the same luxuries for thousands of years. What I would like to see happen is a Luxury resource becoming a bonus resource with a certain tech. For instance with Ecology, Furs no longer keep your people happy, but there is still some benefit to the resource itself.

[TheStinger]

Tobacco didn't start killing people until people stoppped dying of other things, war, cholers, typhoid etc.

Tobacco is a huge trade good and should be in the game, should we get rid of whales.

[statusperfect]

Originally posted by TheStinger
Tobacco is a huge trade good and should be in the game, should we get rid of whales.

why should it only be in the game if we get rid of the whales?

explain

cheers

[Louis XXIV]

Whales were a huge production center (you can take a lot from a whale)

Most of it becomes luxury goods, but making it shields is good

Any chance that they'll add costal or sea strategic/luxury resources?

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Louis XXIV
Any chance that they'll add costal or sea strategic/luxury resources?

They would have to make a new way to connect to them. Maybe the harbor would suffice, or maybe this is one of the new buildings.

[Spiffor]

Louis XXIV
As long as we can't build imrovements on the sea, I don't think so...

The Templar :
As much as I loathe tobacco, it clearly deserves to be a luxury. There is already wine and incense (which covers every exotic fragance, including hallucinogen ones), I don't see why Tobacco would be any different.
My only concern with these new luxuries is the ability to have more than 8 simultaneously, i.e to have more than 20 happy people per city thanks to lux. I wonder if it won't imbalance the game. But maybe there will be less individual luxuries on the map to balance it out.