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  • #46
    Perhaps there should be a stern decree ordained now with the Lux influx...

    Only heads of the original ancient families of Spain can be recognized as nobles? We don't want Ottomans running about with the same titles as our old society leaders have.
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    • #47
      It may sound extremely conservative to some, Fernand, but I fully agree with you. Though, if Togas decides he wants to raise some of them to nobility, he must have a reason for that and with a little uncontroversial argumentation from him I think we should accept and welcome these new nobles in the Spanish noble class.
      To any opposers of the shared ideas of Fernand and I: citizenship is something to be proud of to, especially if you are a refugee. Refugees should be glad that they are not imprisoned, pursued and tortured in Spain. They have the right to live and even in welfare if they manage it.

      Aidun Cian the older
      "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
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      • #48
        Exactly right, my friend. In order to be a citizen, one must earn that right. Spanish culture is the greatest in the world, the citizenship is the highest honor (other than becoming a thane, of course). Refugees as workers are fine, but unless they can prove themselves to love Spain as their real home, they should not be recognized as Spanish citizens, and they should not be allowed to form their own tribe, or elect their own lagman and thane lord.

        Shall we put this before the thane council at Heorot, Senor Aidun? I believe that we must for the bettermeant of society. The Ottoman is of a proud and bombastic race, unaccustomed to real work. They must be tamed, so to speak, to accept the lifestyle that all of Spain's citizens have lived. They cannot be accepted until they prove themselves to be sons of Spain.

        Fernand de History Guy Calamari
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        • #49
          Fernand, good idea! Lets bring it before the thane council and hear what they think about it. It's good to have someone who thinks entirely the same on this issue

          Aidun Cian the older
          "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
          Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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          • #50
            But are the truly Great not distinguished by their mercy? We may be proud, but are we too proud to allow the wisdom of others to add to our grand talents? It was not upon isolationism that Mighty Spain was founded, but the free gathering of those who would do El Cid Togas' will. Sr Trip has nothing to gain from amaging us, and we may just gain from his joining here. Would you rather he take his abilities elsewhere?

            I implore you, the mistakes of the past will NOT be repeated, so we must preach forgiveness and acceptance, for it is only through a combination of appeasement and wise use of all our advantages will we elevate Spain to her highest levels. Sr Trip can add to our civilisation, and we should not turn up our nose so easily.
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            • #51
              Decision

              Trip, the former Despot of Lux Invicta, has joined a monestary and dedicated what remains of his life to chronicling the history of our world. Never again shall he be given the seat of power over any nation.

              I am willing to allow him to enter and leave Spain to observe our people and our government and to write a story of our history for the world who will wonder where the seeds of Spain's greatness emerged from. He shall not be harmed or hindered in this task.

              However, I hear the many voices of the people of Spain and I understand your concerns. Trip must not and will not be made a citizen of Spain. He will not be allowed into the noble class. He will not be given land in Spain. He will merely exist as a wandering sage who sometimes comes into our lands.

              --Togas
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              • #52
                He is most welcome at De Plaguátez hacienda, for a cerveza grande and a huge dish of calemares with me.

                I am sure my old father Don Plaguátez will tell him endless tales of our culture and history. However, he will not tell him the ancient TAOTSA 'the art of the silent assassin.
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                • #53
                  [secret message, put in Plaguatez's shirt after its return from the cleaning woman]

                  Senor Plaguatez, *cough cough*,

                  I am Marcus History Guy Calamari, and I am head of a special branch of the Watcher's department.

                  *cough cough*

                  It is the most secret department on the face of the planet.

                  We are a highly selective group of professional assassins, who are also the cream of society. We belong to this one establishment, 'The Assassin's Gentleman's Club'.

                  In short, we perform private and political assassinations for a hefty sum of money. Unless it's the government who wants the job done, of course.

                  Would you like to be a member? Join now, and get this free umbrella sword-stick with cyanide pill concealment hollow, and spy papyrus for quick jotting down of secrets...

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                  • #54
                    My Lord King,

                    I am glad to hear of this. If Senor Trip wishes to borrow my grandfather's historical notes, he is welcome to do so, though I have nothing but disgust for his foolish actions that led to the massacre of his people.

                    As for his citizens, I should well any of them into our kingdom if they do the duty of a Spanaird as I proposed above before the Council.

                    Fernand de History Guy Calamari
                    Empire growing,
                    Pleasures flowing,
                    Fortune smiles and so should you.

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                    • #55
                      Numero uno, I am most regretful to inform you that I cannot join the 'The Assassin's Gentleman's Club' without my papa's permission.

                      I would love to aquire the free umbrella sword-stick with cyanide pill concealment hollow, and the spy papyrus, so I guess I will have to ask convince him that I can join. I will give it a try, but I have not seen the Don properly since I was a little baby so I don't know how he looks like. In fact, few other people do.

                      He is busy with his monkeybusiness, and kinda anonymous and nobody knows where he is located. I can admit though, that he consulted assasination training wearing a hooded robe and heavy sunglasses two years ago. That time he taught us poison use. I was hoping I could introduce some poison use during my career in the Spanish Army, but the soldiers who tested it always poisoned themself accidentaly. Then the project was cancelled after 45 deaths.
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                      • #56
                        Senor,

                        Please do reconsider. Because of our first century of serving our nation in this brave manner, we are offering, along with our Special Handy Dandy Free Umbrella-Sword Stick, with cyanide-pill concealment hollow, and spy papyrus, a nice cloak for disguise, and, in the bottom of the umbrella, a nicely concealed dagger that pops out, just in case you find yourself in one of those nasty situations in which you are finding yourself in a struggle, your sword is being parried, and you really need a dagger for quick extermination!

                        Luckily, Don Fernand de History Guy Calamari, my father, is a good friend of the Don Plaguetez, and may be able to persuade him to allow you to join if you wish to.

                        We've got a special offer now, by the way, for our millioneth customer, if you want to buy an assassination. The victim gets to choose his own manner of death, and you get a free badge that says 'Assassin's Gentleman's Club, Honored Member', with our logo (an umbrella sticking up from someone's back).

                        It reminds me of when my great grandfather, Don Calamari, had a stint as General-in-Chief, and formed new tactics for the modernizing of the army. He imported some crossbows, and formed them behind his spearmen. Unfortunately, in the excercises, the entire spearman regiment was destroyed by crossbow bolts being fired into their backs. After Don Calamari spent a decade hiding in the mountains, he was allowed back into Madrid, and he went into the squid business.

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                        Fortune smiles and so should you.

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