Diplomacy: Analysis and Strategy

[E_T]

I see that GoW has made contact with Vox.

The question needs to be asked, did they get to a terrain position that they could make the contact, or did Lux trade them the contact for something?

Eta Tamali

[Aidun]

Great analysis you've made Eta, I agree with it. I can't imagine that Lux's handling is a coincidence. They want to get war with ND and us to support them in such a war.
My opinion is that we should let Lux know tactically that we do not want any war with ND and that we are not very likely to support them in such a war.

Aidun

[Crousto]

Don't you need writing to trade contacts? If so, GoW or Lux can't have acquired contact with Vox in any other way than a 'visual' contact.

[Aidun]

Interesting is that IF GoW has contact with Vox, they might trade writing to Vox. They can be sure that we won't have contact with them within 15 turns if we try to get "visual" contact as Crousto calls it.

Buying contact is expensive and quite useless in this stage as we will soon get contact with all for free.
It isn't a very logical choice to first buy and then be unsure to get much of the money back by trading writing

Aidun Cian

[E_T]

Originally posted by Crousto
Don't you need writing to trade contacts? If so, GoW or Lux can't have acquired contact with Vox in any other way than a 'visual' contact.

I forgot that....And I just Verified from the save that None of them have writing yet.

E_T

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by E_T
I forgot that....And I just Verified from the save that None of them have writing yet.
E_T

"None of them" means ND, GoW and Lux. Am I right?

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by E_T
I forgot that....And I just Verified from the save that None of them have writing yet.

What is the delay in us techwhoring it then? GS will probably be right on our heels with discovering it (if not at exactly the same time). They could kill our marketing scheme

[E_T]

Originally posted by oliverfa
"None of them" means ND, GoW and Lux. Am I right?

Correct

Eta Tamali

[jdjdjd]

We could trade Writing to Lux for Vox Contact + plus some gold maybe up tp 25 - which would lead to gettin GS contact.

We need to close the GoW deal - HBR for Writing + 60 G.

I agree with ruby - lets pull the triggers before someone else gets Writing.

[History Guy]

The settlement deal as Togas have put forward, with our complete control of the Valley of Cows and their control of the eastern valley, has just been put forward by myself to Picahulu of Neu Demogyptica. I do not know how they will respond to this, but I trust they will make some ammendments, knowing them. However, I think that the deal, as is now, unless they whip out something reasonable, should be the one we agree upon.

Senor Thud, [occ]Firstly, did you notice that you look exactly like Julian Glover? And secondly[/ooc] Lux Invicta has shown itself already to be aggressive towards Neu Demogyptica by following their settlers around even when the Neu Demogypticans have asked them to stop it, and then they have needlessly (or at least so say our contacts in Neu Theban, the bustling center of Demogyptican culture) marched into Demogyptican territory, and menaced the very center of the caliphate, the capital itself. Finally, the placement of their new city also suggests threatening methods to force action. If this is not what they are doing, what do you suggest that they are doing?

The Chinese are not fools, nor is their leader, the Khan of Khans, despite the fact that he's a total jerk. Mark my words, they are planning something on a tremendous scale, and it will catch us all off guard. We had best be prepared, and thus we should try to seperate Neu Demogyptica from Lux Invicta, so to speak, using diplomatic methods, to mediate a war. To have them broken by warfare is the last thing we, ourselves, need. To have them overrun would give these barbarian pigs more power, and the only barrier between us would be broken.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
Ambassador to Neu Demogyptica

[ThePlagueRat]

So what you mean Senor Hernan, is that Senor Togas will let ND settle their disguesting pueblos in the Northeast to keep them away from the west coast?

You know what!? - My family just bought a goldmine up there. Our business will be ruined if they settle there. Arrgh!
Now we gotta invest in some silk-weaver workshops instead.



ooc:
The result could have been worse, I guess.....
e.g ND settling in the westcoast where they proposed, and a large scale war?

[Togas]

Assuming that war between Lux & ND is inevitable. And assuming that GoW will be involved in some mannor, what do you think our role should be? How seriously can GoW be involved at this point in the game, given that they have an equal strength military compared to ours and are building a Wonder in one of their cities? Who do we want to win, if anyone?

--Togas

[pikesfan]

My preference is ND. Lux appears to be too stupid to be allowed to live and GoW is too blustery to make truly good neighbours. My hope is that the whole thing occupies ND up north for so long, both the fighting and the annexation and settlement of the conquered lands that we can continue to REX down here so that we can meet ND (or GoW if they win the war) from a position of strength.

[Aidun]

I trust ND more than Lux at the moment, Lux seems too opportunistic now and handling untactical. I want but first to get an agreement with ND about the Valle de los Torros.
I suggest History Guy de Calamari to use this in the discussion about the potential alliance.

Aidun Cian the Older

[History Guy]

El Ruby Master, first let me say how sorry I am to hear of thy father's trampling and goring in Pamplona. Very sad affair. A good friend of mine back in the good old Iberian Delights days. Tragedy for Spain.

If there is a war, which I do believe there will be, I don't see either two civilizations surviving an invasion by the Chinese easily. Indeed, I do believe they will be rolled over and broken, smashing the posts so that the Chinese have access to us. Therefore, I suggest we either mediate the conflict, or build a very, very large army...

Of the two sides, I favor the Neu Demogypticans. I trust them for now. Once the war finishes, I would still trust them, for they do see the Chinese as a tremendous threat to their security. They are cautious, and prudent, for they do not seek war with Lux Invicta. Therefore, I trust them as the more honorable.

The Lux Invictans, by contrast, have proven themselves to have no honor. They broke their word to the Neu Demogypticans, and thus, I believe, once they would have the power to do so, they would break their word to us. They are too proud and stupid to be allowed to ever be very powerful, and I think that they will destroy themselves economically and militarily, if not totally, in open war with Arabia. I would have hoped that they would have not been so foolish, and seen China as the threat it is, for I believe that it is only through a coalition of forces that we would be able to contain and totally annhilate these warmongering savages.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger