Diplomacy: Analysis and Strategy

[Togas]

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[Togas]

Discussion topic:

We have Mysticism. No one else does. We will have writing which is HIGHLY coveted by our neighbors.

We have a recipe for profits. Can anyone come up with a way to maximise our profits without hurting our diplomacy?

Please discuss.

--Togas

[Thud]

Refuse any special privledge clauses. Everyone has a right to our tech. No alliances, equal treatment of all other civs on the continent.

[Thrumble]

We will soon have Writing. GoW and supposedly everyone else has Horseback Riding. Lux has contact with Vox, Vox has contact with GS.

I would humbly suggest we trade Writing to GoW and/or ND for Horseback Riding and any other techs they have.

I am pretty sure Writing is the tech that allows you to trade contact to other civs.

I would not give Lux Writing until they give us contact with Vox. Make the no trade clause Lux is eager to use and trade Vox Writing for contact with GS.

Poof in 1-2 turns we have contact with every civ except Lego.

Let's see GoW take on that Trade Alliance.

[History Guy]

I ask Neu Demogyptica what they wanted for it. I suggest we hold out for a very good price here, as it is very unique these days. Good Mysticism is hard to find at these times, and I'm sure we'd get some great reward for holding out for a high price.

- H.d.H.G.C.

[ThePlagueRat]

Olá Señores!
Is there some negotiation with NeuDemogyptia on border issues going on, these days?
- I hope you will let such negotiations drain time until we have settled cities north of Madrid, and onto the west coast. Then we'll get the best deals.


And for the tech-diplo:
- Don't cause any international suspicion by no-trade agreements, unless we are desperate and there is no other deal....

[History Guy]

Senor Rat, first let me say how sorry I am to here of Senor Plagiate's death. He was an old man, I know, but a true son of Spain...sort of...

Anyway, to answer your question, I am arranging a meeting between Sultan Borc and Milord Togas King to speak of these border matters. No response on it from Senor Picahulu, the Ambassador from Arabia. However...I only sent the message yesterday...so there you go.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
Ambassador to Neu Demogyptica

[Arnelos]

As I've posted in the other thread....

I've thought about what happened in the chat with GoW and here's my conclusion:

When conducting a chat with another team, it is vitally important that our team have a SINGLE voice and that that single voice have control over what is said and is not said. Togas, at the end of the chain of command, is that voice. But in a chat where Togas is not present to give instructions to a given representative, his named deputy should do it for him. AND, when in doubt, ONLY THE NAMED AMBASSADOR TO A CERTAIN TEAM SHOULD BE THE ONE ACTUALLY TALKING TO THAT TEAM.

I think those two simple rules would have done a lot to reduce the stupid things I and others said to GoW that shouldn't have been said. There were some genuinely helpful things we said as well, but those could have been routed through adaMada rather than us taking hte liberty to do that on our own.

Seriously, adaMada as the ambassador should be the sole individual delivering our messages to GoW, including any information about spicy squids, deals with Lux Invicta, or anything else. adaMada should consult with Togas or Togas' named representative, who will control content. Anyone else should consult with Togas or Togas' named deputy for controlling content (which, in many cases, will be the ambassador).

That's a simple system that would remove the problem we had that night.

I'm just as guilty as anyone else and I would be more than willing to abide by such a system in the future because it's in the interests of the team.

Togas should authorize individuals other than the ambassador to also have chats with teams and indeed even to give them minor information (and he has done that), but all content should be at the discretion of either Togas, an ambassador, or another Togas names to control content released to other teams.

Loose lips sink ships

[ThePlagueRat]

Originally posted by History Guy

I am arranging a meeting between Sultan Borc and Milord Togas King to speak of these border matters. No response on it from Senor Picahulu, the Ambassador from Arabia. However...I only sent the message yesterday...so there you go.

Ok. We wont give up on any land will we? A border above those sites north of Madrid etc. Perhaps Sultan Borc's men will be settling up there in the next few turns, and we just have to give them some land. Its not good...
'Cause its too close to Madrid and there is gold.
If you do negotiate with them please keep that in mind.
You know, I'm going to start a profitable mining company soon.
Don Plãguatés told me to do some business.

[E_T]

Originally posted by Arnelos
As I've posted in the other thread....

I've thought about what happened in the chat with GoW and here's my conclusion:

When conducting a chat with another team, it is vitally important that our team have a SINGLE voice and that that single voice have control over what is said and is not said. Togas, at the end of the chain of command, is that voice. But in a chat where Togas is not present to give instructions to a given representative, his named deputy should do it for him. AND, when in doubt, ONLY THE NAMED AMBASSADOR TO A CERTAIN TEAM SHOULD BE THE ONE ACTUALLY TALKING TO THAT TEAM.

I think those two simple rules would have done a lot to reduce the stupid things I and others said to GoW that shouldn't have been said. There were some genuinely helpful things we said as well, but those could have been routed through adaMada rather than us taking hte liberty to do that on our own.

Seriously, adaMada as the ambassador should be the sole individual delivering our messages to GoW, including any information about spicy squids, deals with Lux Invicta, or anything else. adaMada should consult with Togas or Togas' named representative, who will control content. Anyone else should consult with Togas or Togas' named deputy for controlling content (which, in many cases, will be the ambassador).

That's a simple system that would remove the problem we had that night.

I'm just as guilty as anyone else and I would be more than willing to abide by such a system in the future because it's in the interests of the team.

Togas should authorize individuals other than the ambassador to also have chats with teams and indeed even to give them minor information (and he has done that), but all content should be at the discretion of either Togas, an ambassador, or another Togas names to control content released to other teams.

Loose lips sink ships

This is all true, BUT I beleave that our show of solidarity & our numbers had intimidated them from trying to intimidate adaMada. I'm certain that they would have tryed to pull a Ribbentop on him if we had not been there.

Historical Note: Ribbentop was the FAM under Hitler and was known for some very "unorthodox" (read: Bullying) methods with some of the Nations that Germany gobbled up before the War.

Eta Tamali

[Aidun]

Originally posted by Arnelos
When conducting a chat with another team, it is vitally important that our team have a SINGLE voice and that that single voice have control over what is said and is not said. Togas, at the end of the chain of command, is that voice. But in a chat where Togas is not present to give instructions to a given representative, his named deputy should do it for him. AND, when in doubt, ONLY THE NAMED AMBASSADOR TO A CERTAIN TEAM SHOULD BE THE ONE ACTUALLY TALKING TO THAT TEAM.

I think those two simple rules would have done a lot to reduce the stupid things I and others said to GoW that shouldn't have been said. There were some genuinely helpful things we said as well, but those could have been routed through adaMada rather than us taking hte liberty to do that on our own.

Seriously, adaMada as the ambassador should be the sole individual delivering our messages to GoW, including any information about spicy squids, deals with Lux Invicta, or anything else. adaMada should consult with Togas or Togas' named representative, who will control content. Anyone else should consult with Togas or Togas' named deputy for controlling content (which, in many cases, will be the ambassador).

Togas should authorize individuals other than the ambassador to also have chats with teams and indeed even to give them minor information (and he has done that), but all content should be at the discretion of either Togas, an ambassador, or another Togas names to control content released to other teams.

Loose lips sink ships

I agree with Arnelos that the Ambassadors should be the sole individulals that may deliver messages to other teams.

Only if an Ambassador fails to establish trades, agreements, treaties and the diplomacy is not going well, the Leader, now Togas, should contact the team.

This was the OFFICIAL contact. There is also an INOFFICIAL cirquit that can be quite helpful to the Ambassador and the Leader.

We could set up a team of diplomats that contact different teams inofficially, talk quasi-loose, try to gather information that cannot be gathered through the official circuit. Diplomats can also function as a way to leak information. The third function of diplomats is to discuss matters that cannot be discussed through the official circuit, because they are too delicate.

Vital to the use of diplomats is a good communication between the Leader, the Ambassador and the diplomats. It is also much easier talking for diplomats if they know what they are allowed to say and what not.

I suggest that we create special threads for the diplomats to each nation. For each team one thread. Diplomats can post reports of what they have said and in which the Leader and his Ambassadors can post orders for the diplomats.

Please post some comments on this idea.

Aidun

[ThePlagueRat]

ooc:

Ok, a chat is a chat... you cannot silence anyone there.
A PM is another nice invention. Keep that in mind, ambassadors!

[jdjdjd]

Originally posted by Thrumble
I am pretty sure Writing is the tech that allows you to trade contact to other civs.

Yes it is.

Originally posted by Thrumble
I would not give Lux Writing until they give us contact with Vox.
.

This is being worked on.

Originally posted by Thrumble
Make the no trade clause Lux is eager to use and trade Vox Writing for contact with GS.

Actually, the no trade clause was my suggestion to Lux


As for one voice, I do not care how other ambassadors handle their offices, but I say for all to know - you are not too divulge anything to non-Spaniards about my private and confidential correspondence to Lux Invicta without my expressed written consent, or unless Togas so orders it.

[Ninot]

Arnelos is 100% right

when a diplo chat is going on... NO ONE SHOULD SPEAK BUT THE DIPLOs!!!!!!


its not an open chat

its not a free discussion

its specifically in the mind of the game

and if any of what happened between GoW and us happens again, i suggest to the Diplos to password protect the chat, so no one but the two diplomats can get in.

I cant blame any of us individually, cuz any of us who muttered a word can be guilty. But we gave info away, and we gave them an upperhand by saying alot of stuff. AdaMada coulda faired better with both gone.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by jdjdjd
As for one voice, I do not care how other ambassadors handle their offices, but I say for all to know - you are not too divulge anything to non-Spaniards about my private and confidential correspondence to Lux Invicta without my expressed written consent, or unless Togas so orders it.

Duly noted.