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  • Here's the PM I sent to a few people. Nowhere in it do I say that GS acted cowardly. What I did say was that the IDEA of RP leaving Bob compeltely and taking all of our units with us "stinks because it smells of shame and fear.

    I did say I was not happy with GS'es decsion not to keep pressing foward against GoW because they are fearful of Lego AND the tactical mistake of moving all those knights out in the open so ND and GoW could wipe them out. It was simply a huge mistake on GS'es part that I was not to happy with. That said, I'm still glad they tried to help us though it really was them thinking that we would end up helping them more in the long run had we been successful. GS wants to win and we pledged to help them to that end. They did not help us out of pure pity; they wanted a viable partner to help them with things like research and such.





    I'm sorry. First for not responding sooner, but I was fuming over GS'es decision not to go after GoW with Lego's threats notwithstanding. And for GS'es decison to withdraw those Knights that got masacared! Secondly because I think the idea stinks because it smells of shame and fear.

    I do not like it. I want to do everything we can to make the war as costly for GoW and ND as possible. Here's why: GoW is out to help Lego win, period. GoW will try to win it themselves; they know that they can't and have resigned themselves to help Lego as much as RP did towards GS. The only real chance we have is to try and sway ND towards our side. Otherwise, I want to hole up in Pamplona and make them have to bleed for it. Either that or abandon it and take our units and head North with them to do as mush pillaging as we can against GoW.

    cc: Aidun, Arnelos, Cort Haus, OPD, Togas


    Cort Haus wrote on 13-12-2003 15:47:
    Arnelos,

    I've been thinking long and hard about the current balance of forces on Bob, and in the world.

    On Bob, the recent carnage has left RP in a far stronger position than they were a few turns ago, and have also left Lego in a commanding game position.

    Now may be the time for all four nations in the Bobian war to make a final settlement.

    I believe that RP could negotiate a deal with GoW and ND which grants peace and land rights to RP on Bob, plus a generous tech and luxury package to RP and GS in exchange for existing cities (including Pamp, Barca, New Madrid). RP palace moves to Miller Town where they have 5 cities on Estonia, plus a negotiable token city presence on Bob - to be decided amongst the Bobians. GS would have no part in those land negotiations. GS also assures GoW and ND that they will not intervene or land on Bob while ND and GoW go and take Lego down a peg or two. (destroying Bach and Sistine, for example)

    I've posted the this thinking on our private forum for our team to consider - so this is just an idea and not our team position - but I think both teams should be thinking about this option. If GS and RP like it, we can push it at GoW and ND to see what they think. We have to move fast - I feel that the participants in this war should not be wasting a single shield on each other that they now should be saving for Lego.

    Regards,

    Cort Haus

    cc BigFree, Aidun

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    • One more PM I didn't post; but that I CC'ed to a few members...




      Thanks, but I'm afraid we are a backwards people who have not opened a text book in quite some time due to the wars that ravage 'Bob'. Unless you could part with it very cheaply I'm afraid we have very little to offer you.

      BigFree

      CC: Togas, Aidun, Arnelos

      Greetings to Togas, BigFree, Arnelos and the many fine people of Spain,

      We of Vox Controli now live in a harsh land. The rock known as Voxtavia is an unforgiving land mass and only our beaches and great fishing industry have sustained us. But the people of Voxtavia are hardy. We survive and now thrive.

      We have been working on a project that might interest the people of Spain. By necessity, much of our population consists of fishermen and mountain men, but a new generation of us have begun to study the few books we were able to bring with us. The desire for wider distribution of these books is leading us to develop a process of printing on a special press. No longer will our few scribes be forced to work day and night to produce our books. Perhaps in a few more years, once we have perfected the process we would be able to share our printing press techniques with the people of Spainin exchange for knowledge we do not possess.

      Best regards to Roleplay

      Rhothaerill on behalf of Vox Controli

      P.S. in simple terms, we will have printing press in several more turns and would be willing to trade it with you then for tech. If you would like to make an offer I will discuss it with the rest of my team. Thanks.

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      • From Darekill:

        Hi Arnelos,
        this is jst a quick personal information from me.
        I think you will hear nothing from me as ambassador to spain. At least not in the next few days.
        My people thinks that all is said and I think that too.
        So, I'll meet you on the battlefield.
        Never mind.
        Darekill
        So much for that idea.
        Long-time poster on Apolyton and WePlayCiv
        Consul of Apolyton from the 1st Civ3 Inter-Site Democracy Game (ISDG)
        7th President of Apolyton in the 1st Civ3 Democracy Game

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        • So, things are clear now
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          • Saving Private El Nino
            Togas,

            GoW had offered us a cease-fire while we withdraw, and we have asked them if that can be made official. If so, we can screen your workers at Barc-9 from GoW, allowing them to jump in your nearby galley and row to safety .

            We expect to have all troops off in 420AD (two turns after this one). That turn we also get Gunpowder. At this point in the game the remaining Great Powers may decide whether it'll be Lego & GoW v ND, or GoW & ND vs Lego.

            We understand that you guys want to hold out in Pamp for as long as possible, but many at GS fear that unless Lego is weakened very soon, it'll be too late and they'll win. This is why there is a feeling within GS that heavy losses for GoW/ND at Pamplona - hugely gratifying though they'd be, could leave Lego in too dominant a position.

            Given that the cities south of Pamp can not now be defended, would RP be interested in a tech deal with ND for these cities, or should we raise them? GS and RP probably agree that ND is the power to cut a deal with - if one is to be made.

            Barcelona and Sirocco are both bug-free. It's NM & Toledo that crash some people's PCs. On mine, I can open the buggy cities but the line of faces is missing. Waving the cursor on them says they're Chinese - hmm.

            Regards,

            Cort

            cc Arnelos, Aidun
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            Heir to the lost throne of Spain of the Roleplay Team in the PTW Democracy Multiplayer Team Game.

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            • Cort,

              If you can work something out with ND, feel free to try. ND offered to allow us to surrender our cities to them, without bloodshed, and that they won't rename them. We thought that was a pretty lame offer. We asked them to give us something in exchange for handing over the cities and Darekill replied with:
              My people thinks that all is said and I think that too.
              So, I'll meet you on the battlefield.
              Never mind.
              Darekill
              Yay...

              Please go through with the ceasefire and give us some time to decide what to do with Barcelona and the other cities. I'm leaning towards destroying them, myself. Perhaps ND ought to be told that.

              --Togas

              p.s. Thanks for saving those workers for us
              Greatest Moments in ISDG chat:"(12/02/2003) <notyoueither> the moon is blue. hell is cold. quote me, but i agree with ET. "
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              Former Consul for the Apolyton C3C Intersite Tournament Team.
              Heir to the lost throne of Spain of the Roleplay Team in the PTW Democracy Multiplayer Team Game.

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              • Togas,

                GoW have confirmed the cease-fire bteween GS and GoW so our knights will block Barc-8 and Barc-87 to stop GoW reaching your workers. They can jump in the boat on your turn.

                We can give you New Madrid this turn if you like - I'm playing the turn in the next few hours so let me know if you want it. We need to keep Barca for now or GoW can take it. Under the cease fire with GS they'll have to leave it for a while.

                I still think you guys could cut a deal which sees you survive in Spain. If, as I suspect, GoW and ND are thinking about hitting Lego, they don't want to spend the shields on Pamplona.

                Regards,

                Cort
                Greatest Moments in ISDG chat:"(12/02/2003) <notyoueither> the moon is blue. hell is cold. quote me, but i agree with ET. "
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                Former Consul for the Apolyton C3C Intersite Tournament Team.
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                • We want all of our cities back! What took so long to give them back in the first place?

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                  • Don't be offended, they keep them for the safety of our cities and to finish some pikemen that only needed 2 more turns. Giving them back immediately would wast valuable shields, something you would never wish to happen in these times when we need every shield so much.

                    Aidun
                    "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
                    Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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                    • Yes, but those units they are building are NOT going to be protecting our cities....they are completely withdrawing!

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                      • Due to in game events I am sending peace accepted this turn. I look forward to the reestablishment of trade between our two nations, now that this unfortunate event is behind us. I also wish you luck in you new homeland. I am sure with your talents much will be accomplished. I will also make a public announcement(once I hear a confrimation from you) of the end of the Great Bobian War.
                        Aggie
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                        Heir to the lost throne of Spain of the Roleplay Team in the PTW Democracy Multiplayer Team Game.

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                        • Screw them!!!! WE will stay at war forever!

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                          • Ay man, that is so lame! The cheesy raviollis want trades! SchreiB!
                            I´m going to give them trade!!! *swings sword in the air* AH you GroBe peanut heads! Weren´t you a sea and half away, Id show ya!
                            Señor Nuclearis Winterius the III,
                            Diplomat with the Voxians, and also
                            Señor Pablo Winterius, missionary Bishop and Archbishop of the Roleplay team

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                            • We won't stay at war forever.
                              Close friends we'll be,
                              Of our former enemies.
                              But in hearts dearly hurt by war,
                              Vengeance is burried deeply.
                              And like a killer in the dark
                              We'll fulfil that vengeance
                              When our enemy is at his weakest
                              And doesn't expect
                              His sudden death.

                              Aidun
                              "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
                              Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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                              • Cort,

                                27 units will be needed for our northern seawall.

                                We currently have:
                                2 pikemen
                                4 workers
                                (2 workers on the Pinta)
                                The Pinta

                                We'd like to road and mine the tile that's 8 of "The Voice" You have a pike and worker there. Please move them for us.

                                We will be renaming the northern cities soon. Discussion has started on it.

                                In 6 turns the barracks will be complete in Voice and Town. Shortly after that, barracks will be done in Hideout. We will then begin mass producing pikes.

                                Temples are finished.

                                Once the seawall is done, we could build markets and libraries ... unless you'd prefer that we start on those now and you guys handle the seawall.

                                Banking will be done in 30 turns (we're doing the 40 turn method)

                                We'd also be very happy to accept Witlich and Beta-by-the-Sea.

                                --Togas
                                Greatest Moments in ISDG chat:"(12/02/2003) <notyoueither> the moon is blue. hell is cold. quote me, but i agree with ET. "
                                Member of the Mercenary Team in the Civ 4 Team Democracy Game.
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