Diplomacy: Reports, Instructions, PMs

[Togas]

It should be noted that Vox posted in the public forum that they "sold" their city to GoW, removed the troops, and effectively ended this very short war.

More discussion on this and other topics will be in the resurrected Diplomacy Analysis thread.

--Togas

[Nuclear Winter]

Deal with Vox for COnstruction and Currency for 20 gold and 2gpt.
Deal agreed for when tehy get monotheÃsm (in 3 to 6 turns) for and 40 gold and 6 gpt.

[Nuclear Winter]

Pm received from Betahound:

Re: Re: Trade
I confirm acceptance of this deal for Vox Controli, on the condition that the terms stay strictly confidential between RolePlay and Vox C.

Please confirm the same.

Many thanks.

BetaHound
quote:

Nuclear Winter wrote on 28-03-2003 13:08:
Hello friend,
that message was old,
what we discussed in the chat preceeds that.
so for this turn it is 20 gold and 2gpt for currency and construction, and as soon as you get it we will pay 40 gold and 6gpt for monotheism.
Thanks and sorry for the confusion (that message was sent before the chat, not after )
Nuclearis Winterius the II

[MrWhereItsAt]

Interesting little update from Darekill of ND...

GoW has played foul. We don't like what we see. There are tensions and i want to know what Spain thinks about it.

IMO we must be prepared to unite with ND to deal with GoW's idiocy.

[Togas]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
IMO we must be prepared to unite with ND to deal with GoW's idiocy.

Agreed.

Mr.WIA -- feel free to contact Darekill to inform him that Spain was stunned and confused by GoW's opportunistic aquisition of this city. We hope that ND and GoW can work something out to compensate ND for the city.

--Togas

note: We want to carefully poison relations between the two while seeming to be peaceful and friendly and neutral.

[Nuclear Winter]

Pm from Betahound:

Hi NW, my friend.

Togas sent this with the save tonight:

"We have offered 20g and 2gpt. Please offer Constr + Currency and hit "accept""

I would love to, but as explained in our chat, we will have the techs in a couple of turns and then monotheism the turn after. Please be patient. The deal is finalized and will go through as agreed.

Cheers ... BetaHound

Explains lots of things, eh?

[Nuclear Winter]

GRRR! That Betahound!

trade deal and timing
Greetings Togas and Nuclearis Winterius.

Your recent e-mail accompanying the save read:

"we offered again. Please give us an idea of when you will have the technology as we were under the impression that you had it now."

My apologies. I thought it was clear when we were doing the deal - I mentioned the 4th and 5th turn arrangement - I believe. But I have better news than that. It will be this turn or the next. So please offer again, and the deal will be finalized shortly.

Thank-you. Once again my aplogies for the misunderstanding. It was not in any way an attempt to deceive on our part. I assure you of that.

And once again - it was a pleasure doing business with you.

Regards .... BetaHound.

NO commments
And now I am Pming him to see if they will have mono this next turn already or not .

[Togas]

Thud -- You are still the Legoland ambassador. Aidun took over to complete this treaty during a Spain-Legoland meeting were were having a few days ago. However, Aidun was very successful with the negotiations and should be able to assist on this next project.

We need a map of Legoland.

We need this to be able to carry out our defense of Legoland and to understand what their claimed territory is. We can offer our WM in exchange.

Rumor has it that Legoland bought a map of our continent from ND. Find out if this is true, if it is, STILL push for their WM for ours, and try to get the price as low as possible.

--Togas

[History Guy]

It is a fine plan, I am sure, Senor Where-Its-At...but I would be wary. If the Warmongers are destroyed, it can only be by the Arabs, for they stand between them and us. We cannot benefit, only they can grow.

[Nuclear Winter]

Chat with BetaHound

I am posting the chat log of the talk I had with beta,

Hello
* NuclearisWinterius takes off his helmet and bows
BetaHound> hello - sorry about that -
BetaHound> I misintepreted completely your letter
BetaHound> I assume the deal is still on.
NuclearisWinterius> It is
NuclearisWinterius> When will we have those techs, can I know?
BetaHound> OK. Well then - ignore my postruing and ranting please - even if it was poorly done.
BetaHound> Yes - it should be this turn.
NuclearisWinterius> Anyway It was quite unpleasant to have the deal denyed for 2 times eh?
NuclearisWinterius> All ´em three?
BetaHound> If the game allows us to send you all three at the same time - we will do that.
NuclearisWinterius> Well, you could do some discount for the delay eh?
BetaHound>
NuclearisWinterius> After all that was considering we´d get em that turn
BetaHound> No - I was clear in the negotiations that we would have them shortly.
BetaHound> Man - you guys are tough negotiators.
NuclearisWinterius> I tought that you would have monotheism later
BetaHound> You are getting currency and constr for a song
NuclearisWinterius> that is why i wanted to know it separatedly
BetaHound> and mono cheaper than anyone else.
BetaHound> And that is a fact. So please - I am getting enough grief over this deal at home - many thought I sold it too cheap - as we are the only source.
NuclearisWinterius> I got a lot of grief thanks to this delay
NuclearisWinterius> Tögas was angry
BetaHound> So please - let us just stick to the deal - get it done. In future we will need to be more precise about the trems so such misunderstandings don't occur.
BetaHound> Understood. As was jon with me.
BetaHound>
NuclearisWinterius> OK
NuclearisWinterius> NP
BetaHound> OK.
NuclearisWinterius> why was jon angry?
BetaHound> The low price - no one else got it for less than 200
BetaHound> And all upfront.
BetaHound> So please - be quiet.
NuclearisWinterius> bah
BetaHound> True.
NuclearisWinterius> tell him that we are the team wich had the most chances of being deal aprtners to your team
BetaHound> Yes - that is the way we see it too - and is the argument I used.
BetaHound> Anyways - I should be going.
NuclearisWinterius> PErsonally, TOgas told me many times that I had gone ´´native´´ to Vox, and he questioned many things, as when we offered you the prefered trade nation deal
BetaHound> hmm
NuclearisWinterius> he told me´´We don´t have all that trade going on with them, and you want to give ´em a prefered status?´´
NuclearisWinterius> Arnelos was the worst, thouhg
BetaHound> But it makes sense - we are not a local threat. We are the last place team. This will work.
BetaHound> Eventually peace will crack on the continent - and well - friends will be usefull.
NuclearisWinterius> We hope to avoid teh cracking of peace
BetaHound> Anyways - I have to be going. Again - my apologies. Peace.
NuclearisWinterius> Peace!
BetaHound> see ya later
NuclearisWinterius> see ya !
Session Close: Sun Mar 30 16:48:34 2003

Session Start: Sun Mar 30 16:52:05 2003
Session Ident: BetaHound
NuclearisWinterius> Hey
NuclearisWinterius> BTw, answer me a question
BetaHound> yup
BetaHound> sure
BetaHound> I'm here
NuclearisWinterius> Oh, sorry
NuclearisWinterius> I was reading something at CFC
NuclearisWinterius> Well, I´d like to know what was this deal of a intercontinental war
NuclearisWinterius> GoW would keep whining about it, but we didn´t really understand
BetaHound> done?
NuclearisWinterius> with what?
BetaHound> your question
NuclearisWinterius> yes
BetaHound> Was it the last dust-up he was talking about?
NuclearisWinterius> I hope this can be answered without causing any constraintment
NuclearisWinterius> I guess so
BetaHound> yes - np.
BetaHound> Ok - sorry - had to go to the boys room.
NuclearisWinterius> boys room?
NuclearisWinterius> Ah the team room
NuclearisWinterius> I hope I am not delving too much into Vox´s affairs
NuclearisWinterius> Above all my objective is to be a friend of your team, and to develop friendship among our teams
BetaHound> If he was talking intercontinental war - it was probably one of two things. Him gloating about how we left the continent with our tails between our legs - whicj we did - and left a city behind - well - handed it over to keep the peace.
BetaHound> yes - understtod.
BetaHound> Or - it could be related to all the other rumors going around. Including teh ones where we 'invade' the islands. Which I preseume means taking out Leg, GS a, nad vox, but I am not sure of the order.
BetaHound> We being NeuD and GoW - and GoW trying to recruit our help.
BetaHound> We listened, and discussed, but as it was part and parcel of a conversation (NeuD was not there BTW) where we wre getting the boot from Bob, I don't put much stock in anyof it.
NuclearisWinterius> PLease, I didn´t get the part ´´Which I preseume means taking out Leg, GS a, nad vox, but I am not sure of the order.´´
BetaHound> If there was a plan to invade the islands - which as far as I know - there is not - or at least we are not involved - it would mean an invasion of Estonia and Legos - and by definition - the targetting of the three civs on those islands.
BetaHound> Have you had conversations with Ghengis?
NuclearisWinterius> not me personally
NuclearisWinterius> You mean he is planning on invading Gs or Vox?
BetaHound> well - he is a bit non-linear
BetaHound> No - I don't think he is.
BetaHound> But when you talk to him - every option imaginable gets put on the table. See?
BetaHound> Then it becomes difficult to try and figure out what is for real, and what is dreaming.
NuclearisWinterius> ah
BetaHound> So - have I been in a chat where Ghengis talked about invading every other civ in the world - yes.
NuclearisWinterius> No, in fact he was talking about the city incident before you gave that city back
NuclearisWinterius> Even RP?
BetaHound> Do I think he is really planning on doing any of this in the short term. no
BetaHound> Yes - well that was in the works to allow us to get our troops out.
BetaHound> We really didn't expect to get found out so quickly. That surprised us. We thought we had 10 turns or so to consolidate and reinforce.
BetaHound>
NuclearisWinterius> Your team is in high need of land, ain´t it?
BetaHound> big time
NuclearisWinterius> hmm, any idea on where to go?
BetaHound> nope- we are hoping that galleys will show us some serious sized islands around.
BetaHound> We are consolidating the land that we do have - and making the most of it. We still have some grwoth poetential.
BetaHound> So- question from me?
BetaHound> Will RP ever be supportive of Vox settling on the far corner of Bob?
NuclearisWinterius> What does VOx means by ´´Far Corner´´
BetaHound> Up where we are. the far north-east. Old Luxia.
NuclearisWinterius> I personally am pro it, though the team is a bit uncertain on it
BetaHound> because of the NeuD and GoW implication? Right?
BetaHound> It makes great sense from Vox's perspective, let me tell you.
BetaHound> Time will tell.
BetaHound> Listen I gotta go.
NuclearisWinterius> ok, I will try to PM you as soon as possible
BetaHound> K- as soon as we get the save - I will let you know what's up.
NuclearisWinterius> And I will try to convince the despot to consider supporting vox, though I promise nothing
BetaHound> OK - thanks,Take care my friend.
NuclearisWinterius> Also, I´d like that, if possible,
BetaHound> yes
NuclearisWinterius> your team could keep me a lil more in the light of international events
NuclearisWinterius> you see, we may be of aid, even if not explicit one
NuclearisWinterius> Take care pal, see ya,
BetaHound> OK - understood. Thanks see ya
Session Close: Sun Mar 30 17:20:43 2003

Many things on this one, though the most importants are that we will ,pay all the deal on the next turn and get all three techs.
Besides, there is a lot of talk on the world´s current status. Jsut to clarify most f what I said here is to mislead him into thinking I´ve gone native and aid our plans.
About supporting them in the colonization of old Luxia is to be discussed on another thread,
nuclearis Winterius the II

[Togas]

To all ambassadors -- Let's see if we can try to sell a few of these new techs to our neighbors to recoup our costs.

Monarchy = 200g
Construction = 150g
Currency = 100g
Monotheism = 200g

These are merely opening bids, we will take less $$ for the techs. If a nation says they can't afford it, ask them to bid lower with one exception ... GoW. We are the ONLY nation with Monarchy, and they either have to buy it from us or go without.

GoW -- Try to sell Monotheism.
ND -- Needs all of the above but working on Currency and doesn't want Monarchy
GS -- may want Monotheism, but probably not.
Vox -- no trades.
Legoland -- Needs Monotheism. Don't underbid too much, these guys are in the tech lead.

Please get to work on this NOW. Get tech deals for these techs going ASAP as Vox and Legoland are going to also be trying to sell them.

--Togas

[Togas]

Mr.WIA -- Contact ND and talk to them about why they're trading Iron to GoW. We're concerned. GoW is such a force of chaos, if we had simply kept them from iron they would be no threat to any of us in the middle ages.

Get their thoughts on this topic.

--Togas

[Nuclear Winter]

By Beta:

Re: Trade confusion
We should have all three this turn. At the latest next turn. But we can only provide you with currency and construction on the first trade - and then monotheism on the second as discussed. You need the first two to enter the middle ages - and then we can pass monotheism - as was our agreement. I trust this agreement still holds. Both sides committed to it.

Ah, the pain!

Togas, we send the currency+construction payment this turn, and send teh monotheism payment next turn,a s soon as we are middle ages.
Sorry for this mistake, please have it clear that it is all BEtaHound´s fault, not mine.

Have a nice day,
Nuclearis Winterius II

[Nuclear Winter]

Greetings Nuclearis Winterius II.

Thank-you gain for our engaging discussion this afternoon. And now I have good news. Construction and Currency have both been sent to you as accepted. I could not send Monotheism as you are not yet in the middle ages. We will on our next turn. To simplify the deal - you can either send us the payment as agreed for the first part - as accepted, or payment on both parts of the deal as accepted. Either way will work for us. We will send Monotheism next turn.

Again - we have enjoyed doing business with you, and look forward to productive dealings for both our civilizations in the future.

My best regards to you, and Togas, and the other citizens of your civilization ..... Beta.

This explains, we can send all teh money this turn hitting accept, and next turn be gifted mono.
Have a nice day,
Nuc

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by Togas
Mr.WIA -- Contact ND and talk to them about why they're trading Iron to GoW. We're concerned. GoW is such a force of chaos, if we had simply kept them from iron they would be no threat to any of us in the middle ages.

Get their thoughts on this topic.

--Togas

Will do...