Foreign Affairs Consulate: Gathering Storm

[Hot_Enamel]

Sorry about that

We could always say that I was just spreading misinformation to GS

[Hot_Enamel]

Ideas from the board

Message from Zeit

Hot_Enamel
Respected consul of the Glory of War.

I'm sorry for the dealy on responding to you- but i did needed the time to review the ideas raised by our members. I hope your weekend went well- even the most hardworking diplomats need some rest.

The ideas of Iron trade were accepted with some enthusiasm. The GS would like to make this trade doable, but some prior investments are necessary: Building a harbor, a galley, and scouting a path, are all required, and might involve deviations from planned development programs for us. We were also interested in trading for Luxuary- as the game progresses happiness will undoubtedly become more of an issue. Therefor we were thinking of a trade in which we trade our Iron for your Luxuary, along with additional sum of gold that would compensate us for the deviation from our original plan, in building a harbor at this stage. I did not mention a time frame nor a specific details- just tell me what you think about it and can go further from that point.

As for lending you money for upgrades- we thought of several arrangements that would make this possible: tech for gpt instead of lump sum (we trade tech for gpt), or the classical lump sum for gpt. All are doable, but will depend on the situation when the loan is asked for.The interest rate will also take into consideration the amount of gold loaned and the duration of the downpayment. Whenever you feel like you need a loan, don't hesitate to ask for one (damn, i sound like a banker).

I have some more ideas, i'll write these tommorow.
I Hope all is going well in the Imperial City.

Kind Regards
Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

It looks like they have taken me half seriously.

Does anyone have any input they would like me to include in a response.

Obviously, I doubt we will want to "pay" for their harbor.

Borrowing funds from them might be interesting.

If we "borrowed" 200g just before Vox attacked, it would limit their upgrade options.

We could repay gpt...(offer peace & the gold each round)
or even agree to repay in full after 10 rounds.
In 10 rounds, GS could be wiped out which would nulify the debt


Again...timing would be the issue



Regs

[Donegeal]

I don't forsee GS getting wiped out in this war. To be more specific, I personally don't want to see GS wiped out. We have, in one team, all the strat forum experts. We also have here a possible course of action to cut this team down in size as to making them an insignificant player. We have to remember that if we, or Vox with our assitance, wipe out GS, then there will be refugees. These refugees will migrate to other teams. Yes we might get one or two of these "experts", but so will other teams (notably RP, Lego and even ND in Sir Ralph). This is why I stated in my quick contract deal a time limit (the down to three cities deal). When we, or I talk to Vox, this is going to be a sticking point unless we can convince them that leaving GS around as a minor player is in their advantage as well.

I don't want to "pay" for their harbor either, double so if we never have to use it (this is for a BACKUP sorse of Iron remember).

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by donegeal
I don't forsee GS getting wiped out in this war. To be more specific, I personally don't want to see GS wiped out. We have, in one team, all the strat forum experts. We also have here a possible course of action to cut this team down in size as to making them an insignificant player. We have to remember that if we, or Vox with our assitance, wipe out GS, then there will be refugees. These refugees will migrate to other teams. Yes we might get one or two of these "experts", but so will other teams (notably RP, Lego and even ND in Sir Ralph). This is why I stated in my quick contract deal a time limit (the down to three cities deal). When we, or I talk to Vox, this is going to be a sticking point unless we can convince them that leaving GS around as a minor player is in their advantage as well.

I don't want to "pay" for their harbor either, double so if we never have to use it (this is for a BACKUP sorse of Iron remember).

Just remember, that we will make them a mortal enemy just itching for revenge. It may be better to eliminate them all together.
They will align themselves with whatever team is against us. I say we dont make any plans, and just see how the war progresses. Make the decision later.

I will decline on the idea of financing a GS harbor...but still show interest as using them as a backup.

I will also let them know we are interested in borrowing their gold. We could let Vox know what we are doing, and get them to pay us for the "interest". Ensuring GS is broke just before we declare war is certainly evil.

Regs

[UnOrthOdOx]

Try to talk them into allowing us to do scouting for them. We already have the Galleys, we could send them up the coast with permission...

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I would rather have the entire team broken up and scattered amongst the other teams than small and insignificant. If left alive they will simply ally with another team and do that one team's strategy. If split up they will switch loyalties to the various teams.

[Donegeal]

Good point. I had never thought of it that way...

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

From GS:

GhengisFarb,

Our current ETA of Feudalism is 8 turn- this might change, but probably won't go above 10 turns.

The price tag we have given this tech, for all who are interested in a purchase is 200 gold, or 12gpt over 20 turns. Note that 200 gold is less than 30% of the beaker cost of the tech. This trade will include a 7-turn non disclosure agreement, under which you will not trade the tech to anyone in a period of 7 turns from the time of delivery.

If you're interested in this purchase- please let me know.

Many thanks
Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

[Panzer32]

hmm... we'll probably be at war with GS in 8 turns... maybe we can get ND to trade with them, and then let us have it 7 turns later. Hopefully, we'll be able to find iron in GS territory soon so that we can prevent them upgrading to pikemen.

[Hot_Enamel]

Also from Zeit

Hot_Enamel,

I has initiated early stages of negotiation with GF regarding trading Feudalism to you: It seems according to our analysis that we will acquire this tech some time before you will. GF did say you were interested in such trade. I'll let him know of our price, but i'll continue opening the communication channel between us open. Our price for the tech is 200 gold in cash or 12 gpt over 20 turns, including a 7 turn non disclosure agreement- a period of time in which you are bound not to trade the tech onwards.

As for the loan- an arrangement of gpt for a tech would allow you to put your entire economy into gold income, and will let you keep the cash you currently have. If you're interested in a gold loan, tell me about the amount you're interested in, note that loaning you gold will require a certain period of time of preparation, and possibly in a delay on the ETA of feudalism, which is currently due in 8 turn, depending on the sum of gold loaned. The interest rates will vary- in peacetimes it will stand on 25% for 20 turns, and 35% in times of war.

About issues you have with Vox- In our private talks with Vox, our diplomats have discouraged the Voxian from setting foot on Bob, and explained to them probable consequences of such action, however, you should understand that Vox's territory is many times smaller than those of the Bobian nations, and that is where some of our members' comments on the board came from.

Hope to hear from you soon
Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

If ND buys it, tell them to go the gpt route.
GS may be destroyed before the 20 turns are up.

If Vox wants to finance the gold loan, we may be able to drain their cash reserves just before going to war.
Thus limiting their upgrading to pikes ability, and rushing new units.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

From GS:

GF,

Have you decided on a reply to our tech trade offer?
If time is an issue, i think we can cut off a turn or so of our ETA, so that you can have it sooner, but wouldn't commit on that.

Please reply.
Zeit

Maybe we should agree to the GPT thing, we never said we wouldn't declare war and its not our fault the game won't let us pay gold while we are fighting them.

[Panzer32]

Maybe we should agree to the GPT thing, we never said we wouldn't declare war and its not our fault the game won't let us pay gold while we are fighting them.

sure.

They might trust us that teeny bit more if we are paying them GPT.

[Hot_Enamel]

We will have to declare peace every turn with the gold, accept and send.

The gpt route is definately better, but lets at least haggle a little bit.

[Donegeal]

try a GPT deal. When we go to war tell them that the payments for Feud will be suspended until the conclusion of the Vox contract. If we do this, then if Vox and GS call for peace before GS is gone, we start up payments again and we would have honored our contract. And if GS is wiped out, well... congrats to us!

PS, no more than 10 gpt. That will equal the same as the 200 gold offered for flat out buying it.

[Panzer32]

I support Donegeal's idea. If others support it, then I'll sent GS a letter.