Foreign Affairs Consulate: Gathering Storm

[Master Zen]

Again, I am not doubting the short term benefits of this deal, all I'm saying is that I hope those 200 gold doesn't tip the balance... in that case any of our short term benefits disappear in the face of a GS victory againt Vox.

This deal just surprises me considering GF that you said yourself 2 days ago:

There ain't no way I'll agree to give GS anything. Their the big moneybag civ with the triple anyoneelse research rate.

The only transaction I see in their future is in blood. Their blood.

then we said 100 at the most. Now 200. What next? I'm aching like you all to get Riders but the risks involved... I'm still not so sure this was the best idea.

[Panzer32]

What next?

300!

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Master Zen
then we said 100 at the most. Now 200. What next? I'm aching like you all to get Riders but the risks involved... I'm still not so sure this was the best idea.

I know, and I fully understand where you are coming from but here's what finally changed my mind:

GS was flat out not going to research Feudalism anymore, they were switching to 90% tax revenue to fund their war effort dropping the delivery time to around 7 turns. We are making around 39 gold per turn and if we switched to full 100% research on Feudalism it would have taken us over 20 turns. At 39 gold we could generate the payment in 6 turn or using the same amount research in in 20........

As much as I didn't like the idea the numbers made my dislike for paying out gold seem childish - the pay now offer was obviously the more logical choice.

That, and the fact that GS was only wanting a 10 turn no trade deal and Lego was simultaneously offering to buy it from us while Togas offered to get it from us, the fact that GS felt they would win the war in 5 turns and that the entire world was allying with them (they really don' t know what they are getting into - in a few turns if this conflict drags out and I think that is a VERY likely scenario - GS will probably continue to delay research on Feudalism) left the very real possibility they might not exist to finish research on Feudalism.

We have like 500 gold in the treasury, it wasn't going to bancrupt us. It may have been the wrong decision, but at the time it seemed like the safer gamble.

[Panzer32]

From GS (addressed to GF)

GF,

I am including the ratified Feudalism deal with this message. We are holding onto the save to make sure everything is in order before accepting the 200g, also for the screenshot of Voxian troop movements GoW took last turn to better direct our own.

Good luck to you and GoW in your naval exploration. We will coordinate things so that neither of our vessels will have to delay any movement for the other's.

Sincerely,

Aeson

GhengisFarb of the Glory of War,

It is the pleasure of GS to offer GoW this document confirming our agreement to the matters discussed yesterday.

We feel the agreement is best served for both parties with a few particulars that were not touched on in the discussions earlier. These are only suggestions on the part of GS, and if they fail to meet with the approval of GoW they can be erased and the agreement will still stand. These inclusions will be noted with a *.

If GoW has any suggestions as to any revisions or additions, GS will give the same consideration to those proposals. This is to allow for the final polish to be added to the agreement while avoiding any further delays in the signing which is time critical at this juncture. In no case will either party be forced to agree to any such additions if they feel they aren't in their own best interests.

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The Terms: (currently turn 93)

Research and Payment:

GoW sends 200g to GS this turn.

GS will increase research funding on Feudalism to finish the advance on turn 96.

GS promises to deliver Feudalism to GoW as soon as it is researched.

GoW agrees to an NDA (NTC) on Feudalism for for the duration of 10 turns from when it is delivered to them. After 10 turns have passed from GoW recieving Feudalism, they are free to do with it as they see fit.

Sea ROP:

GS gives full access to the Galleys of GoW to navigate the shores of Little Bob. This access will last until GoW has had ample time to explore the circumferance of the continent or GoW is satisfied with the extent of their exploration.

GS agrees not to land any units on BoB for the duration of the Sea ROP *plus 10 turns, without explicit consent from GoW.

GoW agrees not to land any units on Little Bob for the duration of the Sea ROP *plus 10 turns, without explicit consent from GS.

GoW will use a Galley to observe the road between Elipolis and Dissidentville to report Voxian troop movements to GS for a duration of 5 turns. These reports will be in the form of screenshots showing the type and number of Voxian units within the Galley's sight. The Galley will each turn check the tiles NW of Grog Mountain, to 2 tiles South, NW of Vox's cultural borders if not hampered by Voxian vessels. After 5 turns time, the Galley is free to continue on it's way. *If GoW's Galley happens to be sunk by the Voxians, GoW will notify GS of it and the observation requirement will be dropped at that point.

GoW's ships in GS territory will not number more than two. Neither will the two venture within 8 tiles of each other. The first vessel will be allowed 2 Horsemen occupants. The second will be empty.

This Sea ROP will last until GoW's vessels are able to safely (or suicidally if GoW so chooses) leave GS' waters having explored their extent.

Future Chivalry Trade: (can be agreed to now or seperated from the above for further revision)

GoW researches Chivalry as soon as Feudalism is delivered to them.

GS will give 200g to GoW halfway through GoW's research of Chivalry.

GoW will give Chivalry to GS as soon as research is finished.

GS will observe an NDA (NTC) on Chivalry equivalent to that which GoW agrees to with Feudalism. After 10 turns have passed from GS receiving Chivalry, they are free to do with it as they see fit.

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This agreement in whole or in part (as noted by *) is hereby officially ratified by The Gathering Storm.

[Master Zen]

I understand your points GF and trust me, I back up any decision that is made by the team. If we blunder it will be after all the work of all of us to rectify it but I trust we have made the correct decision.

Again, the arguments towards getting Feudalism are correct and I agree. What bothers me, as you can probably guess I how much this down-payment will aid their war-effort, and as a counter-point, how much our military intervention can counter that.

I am still uneasy about it, I hope I am wrong. I honestly think that GS is just trash talking about how powerful they are supposed to be, and I hope Vox gives them a nice big can of whoop-ass. But fighting GS is like playing Tiger Woods in golf. You have to play your best, and expect him to blunder to hope to win. These guys are good and you can expect to lose against them under all but a very favourable circumstance, that is why I belived this opportunity to be the best to crush them as they will be the biggest threat to us in the future and that I why I am uneasy about supporting them in any way.

I also don't like the restriction which forces us to act as a spy, giving them info on Vox's movements. I think we could have claimed that we cannot stay too long on Vox's shores, thats why we want the Sea RoP, so we can avoid risking our galley. 5 turns is 5 turns less to scout GS land.

But anyway, things are done, let's see how this develops and hope for the best.

[Panzer32]

Greetings Panzer32 and GoW,

(GhengisFarb is also receiving a copy)

We thank GoW for sending the screenshot. Many of our fears have been unjustified it seems. We will still plan for the worst, but the information GoW has provided us is a great comfort.

It is also with pleasure that I can bring news that GS' Golden Age has begun after a glorious victory over Voxian Immortals. The added commerce will allow us to research Feudalism a turn earlier than specified in the agreement and we will be able to forward it to GoW a turn earlier as well. We ask that the original ending of the NDA stay at the same turn as agreed upon. It will in essense be the same NDA, only the delivery of the tech happens sooner.

I hope this meets with the approval of GoW.

Regards,

Aeson

ps. RP seems to be set upon getting us into a bidding war between us to sell them Feudalism. They have told us that GoW are offering it at 75g after the NDA expires. Perhaps discussion about some form of profit sharing in trading this tech to RP could keep the price up enough that both our nations would profit? Otherwise the price may plumet tremendously and neither side will get even half of what it is worth.

If GoW is interested in such a proposal, please let us know.

That wasn't a true screenshot, right GF?

About the RP trade: I haven't heard anything about it. Has anyone been talking to them? If no one has, it is a blatent lie by RP, trying to get the best deal possible.

[Panzer32]

Chat with Shiber... he wants the screenshot real soon. He asked me if I would take it and give it to him, and I said I was too busy with other stuff. Anyways, I said GF would send the screenshot ASAP. Anyways, I think we should fabricate the shot while ND does their turn so this won't happen again.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Panzer32


That wasn't a true screenshot, right GF?

About the RP trade: I haven't heard anything about it. Has anyone been talking to them? If no one has, it is a blatent lie by RP, trying to get the best deal possible.

I posted the shot I sent them in this forum.

AND IT WAS FABRICATED SO NO ONE should send screenshots except for one member to prevent them getting contradicting screenshots.


Oh, and I updated our tech tree image in the Central Trade Thread.

[Hot_Enamel]

Zeits back

Honorable Hot_Enamel of the Glory of War Republic.

I have just returned home from my long trip abroad, to be back to active duty as ambassador- only to find out our two nations are in a state of war.

Although one would surely be alarmed of such news, especially when considering our peaceful relations so far, as well as the war with the Voxians raging (despite the recent good news from the front), I can see that our two nations do not intend to wage a full war against one another- there were no incidents beyond the two horsemen landing, which ended as expected.
In addition to that, the 10 turn non disclosure agreement signed with regard to the Feudalism trade was honored, which was another sign of your intentions.

We also assumed that since you are now under the rule of a senate, that the live war cabinet broadcasts (despite the lack of "war") are quite popular among the populace. This reason alone would be enough to justify being in a formal state of war.

However, if we intend to exploit the benefits of tech trade, namely Chivalry, we'll have to make peace some day.
On that regard- what is your estimate on completing the research?


Also, please allow me to send my condolences to the the families of those horse riders who fell in battle against our troops- killing is always hard, especially when it is done against those we do not consider enemies.

Waiting to hear from you.

Zeit, ambassador of the Gatherig Storm.

Why am I not surprised this came only 3 hours after my war of words with GS in the public forum.

1. They are now a little worried about us...perhaps uncertain of our true intentions.
2. They want our Chivalry
3. We could ask for monetary compensation for the wives and familys of the two lost horsemen ?

Regs

[Hot_Enamel]

Here was my quick reply ...

Zeit, ambassador of the Gatherig Storm.

Welcome back Zeit, it is good to hear from you again.

I will post this in our forum and get back to you with some answers ASAP.
I do believe that we can return to normal trading relations very soon. I am quite certain, the state of war between us is only a temporary thing.

With our recent shake up of adminstration within the GoW team, I am not sure if I remain your ambassador. I will check into this as well.

From what we hear, you have been very successful within the war. May your good fortune continue

Here is a little internal GoW role playing news....
I have been allocated my own city.
Fortunately, I complained that I could never remember how to spell Liechtenstein, GF graciously renamed it "The Hill"
Thus my new title...King of the Hill

Good Luck

Hot_Enamel, King of the Hill
For the Glory of War

But we will have to get back to them with some definitative answers/demands/propaganda.

Regs

[Master Zen]

Chivalry??? Sure, and we'll lend them some Riders too

I mentioned in another thread that sunday we're having a chat with Vox and RP , 8 PM EST. I say we hold off a decision on further diplomatic options with GS until that chat.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

The deal originally negotiated is for them to give us our 200 gold back for Chivalry.

[Hot_Enamel]

That would almost guarantee Vox's destruction.

What is our study rate ?
We should slow it down as much as possible.

[Master Zen]

Which would also give us time to hoard even more Horsemen... 30 should be enough

BTW... I think we need to start building new cities once our horseman construction complete. There's a lot of empty space and I'm worried that we'll fall on production, according to the F11 screen we're in 3rd place, I assume GS and Lego are 1 and 2.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Master Zen
BTW... I think we need to start building new cities once our horseman construction complete. .

That's why all the major cities were told they had to cough up a settler.