Foreign Affairs Consulate: Gathering Storm

[Panzer32]

so, do we take this deal or not? If anyone thinks it needs rewriting, then write up a proposal soon.

[Donegeal]

I say GS just has to trust us. They give now, we give later. Just like we have been doing on Middle Bob for 1000's of years.

[Hot_Enamel]

Thankyou for your proposal.

The GoW has an unblemished record with regard to negotiating deals. Many of our transactions have been made whereby we provide a tech in advance, for another tech later.

All of our deals have been made on time and in the appropriate manner. Thus we believe the requirement for us to pay 150gold an unnecessary requirement. Once a deal is agreed to, we will honour our part. Our word is our guarantee.

However, for whatever reason it seems the GS team is wary of the GOW. As such, as a measure of faith on our behalf, we are willing to offer some gold, which you can hold in trust, until we can provide you with MM. 150gold is unfortunately beyond our means. We can offer you 100 gold. We realise our recent actions against Lux may of seen aggressive to some teams, however we are willing to let you know the full story if you can guarantee confidentiality. We offer this to strengthen the relations between our two civilizations.

In addition, we would like you to consider the following additional clauses.

We understand that HBR is of little value to GS, however you will eventually need the technology. As such, we would like to become your preferred supplier. We can set the price now at say $30 gold.
This is bargain basement prices, and you get to choose the timing of when you would like to buy the tech.

We would also like you to consider a condition which limits your use of MM. The Northern part of our continent was cramped by 3 civilizations. Good land is at a premium and there was always going to be a war. Lux chose a very aggressive play style, and has obviously paid the price. The Northern part of our continent is barely enough for ND and GOW, and we would like you to agree to not to settle anywhere in the North. This is to ensure there is just enough land for ND & ourselves, and also for your own protection. We had arranged a peace settlement between Lux & ND, however Lux kept on disbanding their cities. ND was becoming furious, and our last minute negotiations, which was agreed to in principle by ND, fell through when Lux Disbanded their capital. We do not think we could hold back ND if you decided to settle North.

As such, if you insist on sending a galley to our continent, please do so below the central jungle area. We will provide maps to you.

Thus, the final contract between us will be.

1) GS will hand the Code of Laws technology the in the turn after the deal is signed.

2) In return, GoW will give the GS a 100 gold guarantee. This amount will be returned to the GoW with an addition of 30 gold- a total of 130 gold. when the GoW supplies the GS with Map Making, in the turn it finish researching the tech.

3) GS will agree to purchase HBR from the GoW team for the price of 30gold. The timing of this purchase is up to GS.

4) GS will agree not to settle the Northern half of GoW continent until the year 10ad.

5) There is a standard no tech-whoring agreement for 10 turns after any tech is transferred between GoW & GS. This will ensure each team is given the best opportunity to sell their tech to all other teams.

Regards

GoW


Gentlemen.... This is just a draft....feel free to edit away.
Points to consider are .....
1. How much do we sell HBR for ?
2. No tech-whoring for 10 rounds ? is this enough or too much ?
3. To what year do we insist they not settle the northern half of the continent. Do we really want this clause ?
4. If they want to know the full story with ND, we can tell them
a) Lux was overly aggressive
b) They invaded our territory
c) They renegged on a deal
d) We could not stop ND, and had to join the war, or ND would of taken every city and become the most dominent player. It was either align with Lux, and fight a losing war. Or align with ND and deny ND every Lux city. Had we known, Lux was going to disband their cities, there would of been no reason for us to join.

Regs

[Panzer32]

add the option of selling HBR for 30 gold, world map, or another tech. GS is the only team (besides Lego) that does not have HBR, correct? In that case, they are probably either
1. Waiting to research it themselves for 4 turns so they don't help any one team.
2. Producing chariots to be upgraded later; they don't want HBR because they wouldn't be able to make chariots anymore.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Knowing the members of that team, I am betting they are building Chariots. The cash end of this deal will also help allow them to upgrade and instantly field 15 horses. This is a common strategy with many of the members of that team.

[Hot_Enamel]

GS is Egypt right ?

Egyption War Chariots = Horsemen
The only reason they need HBR is to get to the next age.

They can still produce war chariots until they have a golden age.
So even if they have HBR, they will still make War Chariots.

I think

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

So are we giving them 150 gold now for this or what? I figure if we do we whore it to everyone else to make up for some of that money.

[Panzer32]

sent what Hot_Enamel wrote; with the option of HBR for world map or tech added.

[Hot_Enamel]

I have sent a PM & email to Zeit asking for an update.

[Hot_Enamel]

PM from Zeit :

RE: GOW Greetings
Honorable Hot_Enamel, consul for the Glory of War

I am sorry for not replying, I was on a vacation for this weekend, and have just returned, so pardon my lack of manners, and hastiness.

Regarding the CoL-MM deal: I have recieved a message from GhengisFarb, that was sent on 27/2 03:22, and here it is:

:
My team seems to find your offer acceptable, so all you would have to do is offer it to us on when you finish researching it and we will give you the 150 gold.

Then to my suprise, i find, a few days later, a message from Panzer32, that says you can't pay us 150, and also setting a few conditions- which you probably know (as the one composing the list of proposals/demands...)

I suppose you could say the first sentence (in GF's message) means your team only seem to agree. But then again- he also said we should give you the tech and you give us 150 gold. I don't know how you strike deals, but we usually negotiate first, and sign deals later, not the other way around...

But then again- this was probably just a misunderstanding. It's not that the GS is not willing to discuss these issues, its just that GF message made us consider the issue a done deal.

As for the proposals given to me by Panzer32: 100 gold instead of 150 can be acceptable, but the team must decide- the flexibility was given to your team, and our willingness to compromise on this matter has not decreased, but the acceptance by your team (or at least as GF puts it) certainly makes things more complex.

As for the other issues- those seem like worthy for further discussion and negotiation- why involve these in a simple matter of technology trade?

To dissipate your concerns, i can tell you this- for now, the GS has no intentions of settling the northern territory of your continent- we are occupied with our own land for the time being.

Nonetheless, all that you and Panzer32 had sent me will be presented to our team, and will be brought to discussion.
I hope this matter can be resolved quickly, and the original tech deal (we give CoL, you give guarantee, you give MM, we return guarantee+30) can go on, as only two days ago it seemed this was the case.

Hope to hear from you soon
Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

I have PM'd him back, appoligising for the confusion. I have emphasised that we do not break agreements, and if GF has agreed to the original proposal, then they can ignore our counter-offer.

I told him that I will confirm with GF that his message was an acceptence....(They could be taking the message out of context)...and get back to him.

Regs

[Panzer32]

I don't think GF's statement was an acceptance, but we might as well go ahead and pay the 150. We can say that we didn't have sufficient funds a couple turns ago, but now we do; thus the miscommunication.

Either that, or we wait until we have mapmaking, and then just trade mapmaking for CoL and 30 gold.

I agree that additional deals should not be included in this tech deal. These should be done after the tech deal has gone through, so as not to delay the tech deal.

[Hot_Enamel]

Included in my PM, I said that once we had confirmation from GF that he accepted the deal, then we would proceed. I asked them to consider 100g instead but understood if they insisted on 150g

[Hot_Enamel]

Message from GS

Finalizing tech deal
Hot_Enamel, consul of the Glory of War.

I thank you for your quick reply. The time has come for this deal to be done, so i'll save you the time of double checking with GF and working out that misunderstanding.

GS is willing to accept a 100 gold guarantee, according to the same principle of the first deal. We also agree to allow a 10 turn period of no-whoring, both for CoL and MM.

Regarding the settling and WM issues, i'll quote a proposal made by our Chief Economist, nbarclay (Nathan):

quote:
We find it ironic that you are the ones complaining about a limited land area when, especially after your joint campaign against Lux, you and ND probably share more land than we and Vox do. Nonetheless, we recognize that your reaction to a Stormian city near your lands would most likely be just as negative as our reaction to a foreign city on our continent would. So assuming your representation of the situation proves to be reasonably accurate, we agree not to settle on northern Bob if you agree not to settle on our continent. We are not, however, interested in exchanging maps; we are willing to accept your word unless and until we have reason not to, and we have nothing to prove that would necessitate giving up our own map.

This issue is not yet final, but his words on this matter reflect the majority's opinion on the matter. For the issues besides the details of the technology deal, like the "no-settling" agreement and WM- as well as other issues you have presented- they certainly seem worthy of further discussion and negotiations.

For now, let us sign this trade deal as a show of good faith, and when all sides are once again satisfied, sit and talk on those heavier issues.

I'll repeat the details of the deal, as agreed by the team:

1) The GS gives CoL for a 100 gold guarantee.
2) GoW gives MM for 130 gold.
3) Both teams agree not to trade the techs it has recieved through the mentioned deal, for a period of 10 turns.

I will gladly sit around the negotiations table with you once this deal is carried out- i'm sure you can understand the sour taste in our mouth right now- as we considered this a done deal. Please accept this offer, and let us carry on with the trade.

We technically have not agreed to the no-techwhoring clause, so if we wanted to, we could remove it.

However, for some reason they seem upset with us. So I would just agree with their terms and be done with it.

I will try to find out what has upset them.....I doubt it has anything to do with us sending a second agreement. They have probably been getting propaganda from Lux/RP.

Regs

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

At the time I did agree to it as we had two members in a row say something along the lines of "This is a most wonderous deal, lets us take it." They have just been real slow about actually doing their end of the bargain and haven't as of yet done the first part of offering us CoL.

[Hot_Enamel]

Then lets just offer up 100g from our end without "accepting"

The deal is done so let us take the first step.