Foreign Affairs Consulate: Gathering Storm

[UnOrthOdOx]

My proposal is to arrange a chat. Tell them to bring RP if they need, but to discuss the many difficulties that are involved in this whole affair.


In chat, we will explain our position of needing to fullfill our current contract first. Which is the removal of RP from Bob.

We can tell them we do not much care HOW this happens, but that it must happen before we are free to fully explore other employment opportunities.

Next: Reguarding payment, I propose that we tell them that at the very least, GoW would need a guarantee of half of all Bob by both tiles and resources. I would even suggest making this somewhat higher.

How GS/RP split the rest of Bob is none of our concern, but there will be a demilitarized zone of 4 tiles width on the other half of bob, leaving our half fully intact.

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Any thoughts? suggestions?

Any serious consideration to this deal?

If Lego gets on board with GS?

Personally I have no intention of going peacefully into the night with a 'build off'. The hell with that.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I don't think half of Bob is believable.

We should tell them the following:

1) WE will be taking the brunt of ND's attacks.

2) WE will be taking the brunt of the casualties.

3) Afterwards we will have to build up from scratch whereas GS and Lego have had 40+ turns of a headstart already.

Therefore we would require the bulk of Bob and at bare minimum one of each luxury resource guaranteed until the end of the game.

Large demands lend credence to our negotiation, coming out with pathetic demands would simply tip off that this a diplomatic ruse.

[Panzer32]

thread now merged with original FAC thread

UnOrthOdOx check out this topped thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=97670

[Panzer32]

Now relating to the issue, sure go ahead and do it. I'm not a huge diplomatic schemer and I don't really care to be. Anyways I do agree with what GF said. Ask anywhere from 4/7 to 2/3 of the continent, then we may go lower.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Here we go guys:

I sent this:

Sorry.

My wife's car broke down, and I have been spending all weekend repairing it.

You have an IM of some kind?

Im on AIM with SirUlias.

Anyhow, things that need be addressed:

Right now, the official position of GoW is that we are at war with RP, and that any conflicts with Gathering Storm is no more or less than collateral of that war. As such, there are those that would not like to see RP survive the current conflict.

However, we are currently under contract to remove RP from Bob. The concensus on the team is that we need to follow through with that contract to it's end. After this contract is concluded, though, we will, as a team, be open to accepting RP's future from that point.

So, the answer to your original question is both yes and no. We cannot stop aggression on RP at this time. However, once our current contract is resolved, we are open to nearly any new contract.

For a Price.

That price will include a good portion of Bob, I will tell you that now, and that would include access to at least one source of all resources, though we are discussing possibility of having those gifted to us.

From our point of view, we are already promised half of Bob by tiles and resources under our current contract. A contract with a nation you already agree has been faithfull and peacefull unto us.

Basically, would GS accept removal of RP from Bob as a condition to be met before GoW can enter into a new contract?

Secondly, if so, what is GS and her allies willing to pay GoW for assistance in attacking ND? An assistance which offers the greatest risk to GoW, not any of the others involved.

Received and reply posted here:

My home modem appears to have decided to die on me last night. I'll have to refer you to MZ for now. I am posting this, and will PM him to get with you on the chat. If I can get it fixed in time, I'll be sure to attend, if not, we need to work a deal anyway, so MZ will be your POC.

I know things have been a little quiet, and you and I have had RL stuff in the way... but even so, we are at quite the crux point.

We need to chat. Given current players' level of activity, I suggest you, me, MZ, and OPD.

In the interim, RP is faced with some imortant choices (like, NOW)... I am not quite sure what to advise them. Understand, any solution that we (GS) can enter into will include RP in some way... honor demands such.

Does your contract against RP's presence on Bob preclude a non-disclosed-third-party-negotiated-NAP for a limited period of time? Further, will your own code of honor allow such?

We have not yet determined what we can provide for your services... I would say, however, that much like the historic relations of sovereign nations and mercenary forces, we will certainly provide opportunities for lands and positions (i.e., we can covenant to a big chunk of the best of Bob, as well as glory and riches).
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* Theseus cuts to the chase again (and really, this is just me):

I'm just thinking... we get RP to relo to North Stormia and become a religious zone. GS and GoW smack ND down. We head to the west...

The resolution between us, GS and GoW?

Well, I gotta say, I want to win. Is there a way for that to happen in which GoW gets some other reward? A merc thing? Domain of Lego? Military command? Just blue-skying...

T/R

/me laughs at the effect of pasting the /me command and edits it...

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I have an edit to the Grand Master Plan.

[UnOrthOdOx]

No problem... sorry I couldn't get back to you before (work).

We are *very* interested in pursuing this idea.

I'll be straight up though, and tell you that just as GoW has some grudges re RP, some of our team remember some difficulties with GoW. I do NOT want us all to get into flames about this... it is ancient history as far as I'm concerned, but please be aware that it's an issue on my side.

Also, please be aware that until there is a formal cessation of hostilities, we (and all involved) must of course continue on our current course of action.

Oh yeah, and one more thing: We are about to (finally) open a big can o' whoopass on somebody.

(Please make sure to re-insert the smiley if you post this. )

T/R

T/R

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Who is that from?

[Master Zen]

probably Theseus


here's a little chat I had with OPD:

Session Start: Mon Oct 27 16:36:20 2003
Session Ident: opd
[16:36] Session Ident: opd (~dwyerowen@82-36-92-149.cable.ubr04.harb.blueyonder.co.uk)
[16:36] [opd] I think it's better if this is discussed with just GS and GoW later on
[16:40] [MZ[dinner]] obviously
[16:40] [MZ[dinner]] I don't mind dealing with GS in the future, but RP will have no part in our plans
[16:41] [MZ[dinner]] we did not waste a GA and a buildup just to let them live
[16:41] [opd] what you mean BF didn't convince you with him argument
[16:42] [MZ[dinner]] hahaha
[16:42] [MZ[dinner]] seriously I know your team has sent a very interesting offer
[16:42] [opd] yes
[16:42] [MZ[dinner]] and we are equally serious in considering it (you can quote everything I say in your forum)
[16:42] [opd] ok
[16:43] [opd] to tell you the truth I think this war sucks big time
[16:43] [MZ[dinner]] however, we have a contract to fullfill, that involves getting rid of the biggest threat to Bob which is RP. After RP we can think of other threats to Bob
[16:44] [opd] RP are no longer a threat to anyone but Vox
[16:45] [opd] I think GoW and GS could easily come up with a war thats a hell of alot more one sided
[16:45] [MZ[dinner]] any deals and schemes between GoW-GS are very acceptable. Just leave RP out of it. The sooner RP is gone the sooner we can move on to bigger and better things
[16:46] [opd] Do think there will be a time when RP are out of the game?
[16:46] [MZ[dinner]] we wouldn't be fighting if we didn't think that
[16:48] [MZ[dinner]] [WhiteBandit] frankly, the lines of teachery and hate have been drawn on both sides of this war. there is no way either side can ever work together effectively
[16:48] [MZ[dinner]] that my friend is the summary of everything. We simply don't trust RP. Never have, never will
[16:48] [MZ[dinner]] if RP has even ONE city on Bob we do not doubt they would somehow use whatever limited power they have to find a way to screw us
[16:50] [opd] Well they aren't going to screw you in anyway and you have nothing to really fear from them
[16:50] [opd] they only power they have is the nation they are allied with
[16:50] [MZ[dinner]] I hope GS understands this. It is not our hearts talking, it's history talking. RP has screwed all of us around. We're frankly sick of it
[16:50] [MZ[dinner]] so then what's the purpose of keeping them alive if they don't serve a purpose?
[16:51] [MZ[dinner]] i'm sure GS has better things to do than fight a war overseas
[16:51] [opd] no
[16:51] [opd] we fight to prevent there being 2 superpowers ruling all of bob
[16:51] [MZ[dinner]] getting rid of ND would do the same
[16:51] [opd] 2 superpowers that are already allied and will likely rule the world
[16:52] [MZ[dinner]] our alliance ends the moment the last RP unit is dead
[16:52] [MZ[dinner]] you think we haven't thought of ND backstabbing us?
[16:53] [opd] theoretically speaking how many cities would you have to lose to agree to allow RP to stay on bob
[16:53] [MZ[dinner]] why would we lose them?
[16:53] [opd] if theoretically GS were to raze them
[16:54] [MZ[dinner]] what cities?
[16:54] [opd] lol
[16:54] [opd] I dunno
[16:54] [MZ[dinner]] you gotta take em first
[16:54] [opd] I don't mean to threaten
[16:55] [opd] if GoW were to be faced with losing all their cities or making peace with RP what would you do?
[16:56] [MZ[dinner]] ah so you are planning a massive invasion of GoW?
[16:56] [opd]
[16:56] [opd] but seriously it comes down to maths
[16:57] [opd] is it worth GS taking GoW out of the game in order to have a puppet state on Bob
[16:57] [opd] how much would we lose compared to what we'd gain
[16:57] [MZ[dinner]] if hypothetically GS took out GoW why would you guys worry about RP?
[16:58] [opd] I don't think we would
[16:58] [MZ[dinner]] exactly
[16:58] [MZ[dinner]] so then what's the point?
[16:59] [opd] I don't see what you mean
[16:59] [MZ[dinner]] why would you want GoW to make peace with RP if GS could take out GoW?
[17:00] [opd] because we don't want to have to fight GoW, then ND, the Lego
[17:00] [opd] We'd much rather GS and GoW fight ND the Lego.
[17:00] [opd] Even if it means we have to throw hideous amounts of land at you
[17:01] [MZ[dinner]] you just said it. GS and GoW. I don't see where RP fits into this
[17:01] [opd] well we kinda said we'd protect them
[17:01] [MZ[dinner]] by having your army on bob, theoretically you are *tsk* *tsk*
[17:02] [opd] we said we'd protect them so we can't really sell their ass to you guys
[17:03] [opd] as funny as that would be
[17:04] [opd] alot of people left GS over the thing where we were acussed of being dishonest with you over the NAP
[17:05] [MZ[dinner]] well if you though you were honest why did that bother them?
[17:05] [MZ[dinner]] truth is always in the eye of the beholder
[17:06] [opd] true
[17:06] [MZ[dinner]] it's more likely we were both RIGHT than we were both wrong, or one of us right and one of us wrong
[17:06] [opd] it's all in the past though really
[17:07] [opd] the problem for the moment is that if GS were to screw RP, alot of GS would likely leave
[17:07] [MZ[dinner]] you guys need to be more realpolitikish :P
[17:07] [opd] rather than deal with the eventual crap than RP
[17:07] [opd] rather than deal with the eventual crap from RP
[17:08] [opd] that what I meant
[17:09] [MZ[dinner]] no-one is telling GS to screw RP
[17:10] [MZ[dinner]] we could simply how should I put it... reduce the intensity of battle between GoW/ND and GS units
[17:11] [opd] we could get ND to use all their units attack RP
[17:11] [MZ[dinner]] you know, right around the time we took all their southern cities we offered them a chance to survive: we offered them a very nice chunk of land south of the mountains all the way up to barcelona. They threw it back on our face
[17:11] [MZ[dinner]] actually that was before we took their cities
[17:11] [opd] what was the deal?
[17:12] [opd] was it simply complete peace?
[17:12] [MZ[dinner]] I don't really have a map with me but you see the mountains that run more or less north-easterly up to the river near new madrid, we offered them that part
[17:13] [MZ[dinner]] btw, there's something I don't get about this latest GS proposal
[17:13] [opd] how did GS figure in this deal
[17:13] [MZ[dinner]] GS would be out of Bob
[17:14] [opd] RP will be lucky to see that much land ever again
[17:14] [MZ[dinner]] assuming we let RP live, and we backstab ND, and ND is out of the game, would Bob be split among GoW and RP or would GS get a bigass chucnk too?
[17:14] [MZ[dinner]] it was not a bad deal compared to their present situation
[17:14] [MZ[dinner]] they could fit around 8 cities in that land
[17:14] [MZ[dinner]] much more land and of better quality than Vox has now
[17:14] [opd] we'd have to look into that
[17:15] [MZ[dinner]] because frankly if you guys just want to balance the power, I see no difference in GoW/ND splitting than GoW/Rp
[17:15] [MZ[dinner]] at least ND is MUCH more trustworthy than RP
[17:16] [opd] GS will likely get a piece of the pie
[17:16] [opd] If you don't want RP to get much land GS can take more
[17:16] [opd] GS are prepared to be very generous
[17:16] [MZ[dinner]] lol
[17:16] [opd] we'd have to look at the domination limit though
[17:17] [MZ[dinner]] honestly and this is MY opinion, not GoW's, I'd much rather have GS on Bob than RP
[17:18] [MZ[dinner]] I don't see how we could trust RP, GS on the other hand we feel can be trusted in the future
[17:18] [opd] how would you see lego figuring in this?
[17:18] [opd] ok
[17:18] [MZ[dinner]] the idea would be to straighten our **** quick so we can maybe have a "build-off"
[17:18] [opd] lmao
[17:18] [opd] what?
[17:18] [MZ[dinner]] unless you guys want more war...
[17:19] [opd] I can't believe you bought that build off **** Lego have been suggesting
[17:19] [MZ[dinner]] GoW? build-off? come on, it's an oxymoron
[17:19] [opd] that sounds like way too much fun
[17:19] [opd]
[17:19] [MZ[dinner]] but we DO need a period of peace to build up for more war
[17:20] [opd] the way I see it every nation should have to be fighting for survival at some point in the game
[17:21] [opd] Lego shouldn't get to have railroads when they do
[17:21] [opd] what if you were to get all of lego
[17:22] [MZ[dinner]] that's a lot
[17:22] [opd] yeah thats why we'd have to look at the domination limit
[17:22] [opd] not that I can offer you that
[17:23] [opd] I don't have the authority
[17:25] [MZ[dinner]] likewise, most of what I have said are my ideas, not necessarily the teams'
[17:25] [opd] cool
[17:25] [MZ[dinner]] but you should post it so we can further the discussion
[17:25] [opd] oh yes I'm going to
[17:25] [opd] I think this is a good start
[17:25] [MZ[dinner]] and like I said, we are VERY open to any suggestion that doesn't involve RP
[17:26] [opd] ok
[17:26] [opd] I have to go now
[17:26] [opd] nice talking with you
[17:28] [MZ[dinner]] same here
[17:28] [MZ[dinner]] maybe we can have something more "official" in the days or weeks to come
[17:29] [opd] yeah I think days may be better
[17:29] [opd] you should contact Theseus really
[17:29] [opd] ok later
Session Close: Mon Oct 27 17:30:00 2003

[UnOrthOdOx]

I've asked Theseus for an official chat a few times.

It is my opinion this was all a simple ruse.

Do they know we saw the invasion force?

[Panzer32]

Do they know we saw the invasion force?

yes. (they landed right next to us )

ok I'm willing to accept that it was a ruse; however lets not drop it. 'Punish' them for the ruse by trying to contact them more I'll try in chat.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
It is my opinion this was all a simple ruse.

The peace attempt or the invasion force?

[Hot_Enamel]

Ruse or not...

Whenever they negotiate, we should ask for 2-3 cities on North Estonia if they want a presence on Bob.

[Master Zen]

if this was a ruse it was the worst ruse I have yet seen....

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
Ruse or not...

Whenever they negotiate, we should ask for 2-3 cities on North Estonia if they want a presence on Bob.

Sounds good to me, a foothold for a foothold.