Foreign Affairs Consulate: Gathering Storm

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

1) No taking of Bilbao, leave it for ND.

Here's the message I plan to send to Zeit and notyoueither, I don't think we should make this a public announcement yet.

GS:

It is with great concern that I write to you today. The Glory of War considers the Gathering Storm a kindred spirit in team beliefs but your actions of late have undermined that belief.

We regret that we must deny permission for any forces to cross our territory, which has recently been enlarged to include Toledo. We are at war with neither RP nor GoW. We do not wish to advantage either side through access to that land.

Our intentions re RP are not fully concrete as of yet. We are inclined to look favourably on a civ who has welcomed us to Bob. As of this point, our goals in the conflict would be to finish what other nations start.

Respectfully

nye

cc GhengisFarb, Master Zen, UnOrthOdOx

Your team has purposely accepted Roleplay cities for THE SOLE PURPOSE of preventing our capture of them. This violates the spirit and intent and virtually violates the specific wording of the following document:

This contract is a declaration of a Non Aggression Pact between Gathering Storm and Glory of War. Neither team will engage in hostile activity against the other team for the duration of the contract.

The contract becomes effective on turn 126, 50 BC and will remain in effect for a duration of 30 turns, cancelling after turn 156, 400 AD.

The contract is considered Top Secret and will be treated as such by both teams and by their members. No memeber of either team is allowed to discuss the existence, or details, of the contract with anyone who is not a member of either Gathering Storm or Glory of War.

Signed:
Glory of War Team

Ratified:
Gathering Storm

By denying us the right to continue on our campaign you ARE WAGING WAR AGAINST US. Both our teams know this is being done to prevent the Glory of War from capturing the cities of the enemy. We accepted Bibao as your team was merely taking an opportunistic moment but any more than that is going beyond opportunistic and becoming willful agressiveness against a NAP partner.

If you accept Toledo or any other city beyond Bilbao it may be viewed as an act of war and violation of the before ratified NAP. We do not wish war with GS, we both need to be strong for the upcoming wars but we will defend our sovereign rights to exist and fight our enemies. Sovereign rights you are attempting to deny us.

If we had accepted Eliopolis as a gift from Vox before you took it, how would you have felt?

GhengisFarb, Ambassador of GoW.

[Master Zen]

Excellent, just some minor changes:

1) You wrote Glory of "Warrior" at first.

2) Final parragraph: "We do not wish war with GS"

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Master Zen
Excellent, just some minor changes:

1) You wrote Glory of "Warrior" at first.

2) Final parragraph: "We do not wish war with GS"

Fixed.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

From Aeson:

CC: UnOrthOdOx, Master Zen

Glory of War,

The rantings of an insane man about broken treaties holds no water. The fact remains that GS has not acted against GoW. GoW is now demanding that GS honor not only it's agreements with GoW, but GoW's agreements to ND? This is completely unacceptable. GS cannot be held responsible for the agreements that GoW enters into, or GoW's (in)ability to honor those agreements. GS does not exist to facillitate GoW's military ambitions at the cost of GS' wellbeing, and neither does the NAP.

The NAP is still in effect in GS' estimation.

It becomes clear the NAP is not what GoW wishes, and that it will not keep GoW from further threatening GS cities. Both parties signed an agreement without fully understanding the limitations it would place on them in the very near future. GS has hoped that both teams could find a way to honor the NAP in light of these unforseen events, but realizes the difficulty of the situation GoW now finds itself in. GS wishes to help rectify this situation. To allow GoW to keep their honor intact, and prevent the spectacle of uninformed opinion that public debates become.

GS offers to agree to a mutual cancellation of the NAP if GoW reciprocates. GS asks one condition, a single turn of respite from being attacked by GoW or having GoW units moved further into (or through) GS territory. GoW will receive the same guarantees, that GS will not attack GoW and will respect GoW's borders for the duration of the cease fire.

This is an offer that GoW may retain it's honor, while still having full right to act against GS to fulfill contracts. The single turn cease fire item may be negotiated, or others added, but the offer is off the table if GoW were to attack GS or move further into (or through) GS territory before an agreement is reached.

That is all,

Gathering Storm

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Note that they have waited until the one turn pause will give them the time to reinforce Toledo.

My proposed response:

Chamberlain learned this valuable lesson well at the hands of Hitler, you have dishonored the treaty time and again and there are no more illusions as to your original intentions towards us.

Our next meeting shall be on the battlefield, Adolf.

[Panzer32]

Don't agree to anything. The one turn cease fire just allows them to get stronger. We strike now!

[UnOrthOdOx]

We can't attack Toledo anyway this turn. It will be reinforced.

[Hot_Enamel]

So stick to our original plan of pillaging and attacking Madrid.

Dont call them adolf. ... We have german allies remember

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

If we are not attacking Toledo, mayhaps we can get them to agree to a one turn ceasefire just to make us seem more honorable than them.

[Panzer32]

we are attacking Bilbao remember?

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Note that they have waited until the one turn pause will give them the time to reinforce Toledo.

My proposed response:

Do not respond to them. THe only response they'll get will be our post in the public forum once they get the save. **** 'em.

[Hot_Enamel]

How about this ...

Bilbao will be destroyed this round.. nothing will stop that. We will not allow GS to ship units into it during a ceasefire.

We will be willing to offer a 1 turn ceasefire against Toleldo, if GS agrees to removes its troops from Bob.

Toledo can be disbanded, gifted back to RP, ND or GoW.

If Toledo is gifted to RP, then GS can use the game exploit they are so fond of, to return their troops home. No one gets killed...we go back to normal relations and continue our global takeover discussions post-RP.

We again make it clear, that the GoW has no wish to war with GS. We will overlook GS's recent hostile action and breaking of the NAP only if they agree to the above. GS had no right to get involved in the Bob conflict.

It is our understanding that Lego was offered the same deal as GS, but they considered their NAP with ND would not let them get involved.

It is a pity GS does not hold the same honour values, and have fallen into the trap set by RP to become their puppets.

This is a fair offer by GoW. It is doubtful our members will agree to offer it again.

Always give them an "out" option, so they can save face.

This will not interupt our offensive plans this turn. And they can "warp" their units back home by gifting it to RP.

No one gets killed...we go back to normal relations and plotting against Lego....yeah right

Regs

[Hot_Enamel]

P.S.

Timing is important here...
This offer of peace needs to be sent before they get to "negotiate" with RP first.

Which means we need to respond before we play the save and send it to RP.

Still go ahead with the Public announcement...but always keep the back channels open.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Gathering Storm Correspondance thread (cause Im too lazy to find and bump the old...)

Honorable Theseus,

I have just now seen this in our forum, as my activity is down this month due mostly to RL, and my efforts to run a spook alley.

MZ,

I have a question for you: Are you guys really Mercs?

MERCS??!!

If you are, name a price... A price for ceasing attacks on RP, and cooperating with us in dismantling ND. We may or may not be able to meet it... but we'd like to know.

I covenant here and now that we will not disclose this discussion, at this risk of forfeiture (i.e., if we, GS, disclose to the PTWDG world that this discussion has taken place, without your written approval, we will forfeit.).

Be aware, however, that we have discussed this communication with RP.

Further, in the reverse, disclosure of a confidential communication such as this will be taken most negatively.
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Aaahhhhh, screw it, here's the plain language: Don't tell anyone, but we want you to backstab ND...

Possible?

Theseus (bringer of maaaany goodies)

ps: I don't know if this has ever come up in GoW, but you guys might want to check out one Sir John Hawkwood... he would be your patron saint (courtesy of Gordon Dickson and the Dorsai series in science fiction, which is also an ultimate mercenary anthem).

In answer to your first question, we are indeed Mercs, and yes we can be bought.

I do not know if MZ has contacted you further, but this is indeed being discussed our forum at present. Frankly, we had given up on anyone ever offering us anything, so you caught us a bit off guard.

That said, who would now be our point of contact within Gathering Storm? I know that your team dynamics have changed some since our last real contacts, but don't know the exact structure currently.

I hope to have a full answer shortly, and look forward to opening negotiations with your team once again.

Respectfully,
UnOrthOdOx
G.o.W. C.A.L.F. and Ambassassador to Gathering Storm

[UnOrthOdOx]

UnOrthOdOx,

Thank you for your response. You, sir, deserve the credit for our interest in a mercenary relationship, at this late date, with GoW (from a side comment of yours at MZO).

We live in an interesting world... a Chinese proverb, I believe.

GS, and other teams, in our interactions, have commented upon the yellow stain that seems to be spreading across Bob.

Are you not concerned? Are you not worried about what becomes of GoW if ND takes control of the majority of Bob?

We have become aware that there is a confluence of interest between GoW and Legoland. Add to that the relationships between Legoland and Vox and between GS and RP... it seems to a number of people that the odd relationship in this tangled weave is that between GoW and ND.

We, GS, would like to take the fore in advancing world relations to the next sensible stage.

We, GS, would like to hire GoW as part of a world movement to eradicate ND. We understand that they have been honorable partners to you, but geopolitical considerations prevail.

Furher, and however, we understand that we, GS, do not have the means to contract GoW to such a length... we will covenant all that we reasonably can, but we know that we also must engage Legoland, Vox, and RP in this endeavor. Given your agreement, we shall do so.

Assuming that we can deliver on such a multi-party arrangement... what do you desire?

On the parts of Legoland, Vox, and RP, it has been suggested that we try to conclude the game with a "build-off". GS is amenable to such, but we are open to other denouements as well.

Our understanding of Legoland politics are that decisions are... hard fought. We would be happy to participate in any kind of dialogue that might facilitate our relations.
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Ahhh, I gotta be me... when I do these diplo messages, I think I'll end every one with my version of straight talk: We want to gangbang ND with EVERYONE; we can split up Bob in a sensible way after. What do we, GS, bring to the table? 1) The southern stand-off is a waste of time for all involved, 2) we are ready to lay a world of hurt on SOMEONE, and 3) we are OK with a build-off once things are a little more stable.

Thoughts?

Theseus

ps: For the moment, I'll be the liaison... warning though, RL and work stuff makes me, uh, non-calendar-predictable.

pps: Screenshots of Halloween Alley? Somewhere? And yes, it's true, Theseus, nee Richard Podos, was born in Salt Lake City!