Foreign Affairs Consulate: Roleplay

[Panzer32]

Actually edit the text very soon. The title will stick however.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Woohoo!!! I have a 5-1 lead


Now, if only GS would get back to me....

[UnOrthOdOx]

Im waiting for Togas now...

Chatroom #GoW_CoFA pass Raiders

[UnOrthOdOx]

Session Start: Fri Jul 11 17:39:38 2003
Session Ident: #GoW_CoFA
* Now talking in #GoW_CoFA
* Retrieving #GoW_CoFA info...
* UnOrthOdO sets mode: +k Raiders
* Trip` has joined #gow_cofa
* UnOrthOdO sets mode: +o Trip`
[UnOrthOdO] If you haven't seen our forum since this morning, you
might like to have a look as well.
[Trip`] As I said before
[Trip`] I see everything
[UnOrthOdO] I bet you get a good laugh too
[Trip`]
[Trip`] you guys need to get in motion
[Trip`] ISDG is boring right now, I want to see some fireworks
[UnOrthOdO] Soon enough.
[UnOrthOdO] Who has the craziest forum?
[UnOrthOdO] Not specifics...
[UnOrthOdO] I would imagine GS is all business for instance
[Trip`] craziest as in the most active?
[UnOrthOdO] no, just strangest stuff
[UnOrthOdO] Togas left, Im geting Arnelos and BigFree
* Togas has joined #gow_cofa
* Arnelos has joined #GoW_CoFA
[Togas] greetings, just read your email
[UnOrthOdO] Ah there you are.
[UnOrthOdO] I was bothering Arn there on AIM
[Togas] he gave me a shove over in our channel
* BigFree has joined #GoW_CoFA
[UnOrthOdO] Let me see if Poly is going to work now so I can get my
notes.
* UnOrthOdO sets mode: +o Trip`
* UnOrthOdO sets mode: +o Trip`
[BigFree] The Raiders are my Team! 12:4)1
[UnOrthOdO] ok...wont let me select anyone else...
* UnOrthOdO sets mode: +o Arnelos
* UnOrthOdO sets mode: +o BigFree
* UnOrthOdO sets mode: +o Togas
[UnOrthOdO] There we go
[UnOrthOdO] Mine too!
[Togas] talk for a moment w/o me. Need to go drop something off with
secretary
* Togas is still at work.
[Togas] brb.
[UnOrthOdO] I get odd looks around town in my Tim Brown Jersey,
though.
[BigFree] LOL
[BigFree]
[UnOrthOdO] Look out, a gang member!!!
[UnOrthOdO]
[BigFree] HAHA
[BigFree] I love Timmy
[UnOrthOdO] Can't believe they left Barret on the team, though.
[BigFree] I know, that did surprise me
[BigFree] ******* drunk
[Togas] back
[UnOrthOdO] Ok.
[UnOrthOdO] Let's get down to business then
[UnOrthOdO] I want to lay some rules down first.
[UnOrthOdO] I don't know what you are used to, but with me, this is
business.
[UnOrthOdO] I don't have allot of time to be dealing with crap.
[UnOrthOdO] Straight up, no BS, and I expect the same.
[UnOrthOdO] Can we agree to that?
[BigFree] yep
[Togas] I prefer that.
[UnOrthOdO] Alright.
[UnOrthOdO] I understand your guy's position right now, allow me to
explain ours.
[UnOrthOdO] We did sell Chiv to ND.
[UnOrthOdO] Somehow, somewhere, they were told the exact turn we
would get it.
[UnOrthOdO] Removed Iron that turn, as they play before us.
[UnOrthOdO] There are limited number of places the exact turn could
have come from...
[UnOrthOdO] So, we agreed to sell it for a fair amount of gold plus
iron, but a part of that was 10 turns no trade to you.
[UnOrthOdO] Hence all this BS
[Togas] so you're saying that ND *made* you not sell it to us?
[UnOrthOdO] That was a part of the deal, yes.
[Togas] so the whole offer of 500g ...?
[UnOrthOdO] There is plenty more...
[UnOrthOdO] GS and us had an arrangement fair agreed to long ago.
[Togas] sorry. Please explain.
[UnOrthOdO] Before I even became their ambassador.
[UnOrthOdO] After fullfilling our end, they ceased all consideration
of a Non Agression, added a clause to an existing Lux deal saying
they could back out with a one turn warning
[UnOrthOdO] And refuse to talk of tech trades in the future.
[UnOrthOdO] We, obviously, consider this an alliance with ND against
us.
[UnOrthOdO] So, we have ND, and GS planning an attack.
[BigFree] Why does ND want a 10 turn no-trade to RP? They must plan
to attack if they do not want us having Chiv, its an offense unit
with pretty good defensive properties.
[UnOrthOdO] We also received information that RP was a part of this.
[Togas] from?
[UnOrthOdO] That you guys are building MI and Pikes
[BigFree] we are now
[Arnelos] well, that's no secret
[UnOrthOdO] and the 10 turn no trade has now screwed us.
[UnOrthOdO] We can either break it, giving ND a reason to attack
[UnOrthOdO] or not break it, giving you a reason to attack.
[Arnelos] we started building MI and pikes a while back, switched ALL
cities to it recently. We didn't even try to hide that... we must
have TOLD half the civs in the game
[BigFree] we will not attack you
[Togas] how are we going to attack?
[Togas] teleport?
[UnOrthOdO] either way it can lead to a whole alliance to our
downfall.
[BigFree] regardless of whether you give us Chiv or not
[UnOrthOdO] For all we know you have troops right outside the ND/GoW
Border.
[Arnelos] unortho... yeah, I agree, how on earth WOULD WE attack you
guys?
[Togas] go check to see
[BigFree] you think we would ally with ND?
[UnOrthOdO] If planned in advance, you could have moved them.
[Arnelos] and leave our back door wide open to GS... give us SOME
credit
[UnOrthOdO] This is civ.
[UnOrthOdO] Can we agree?
[Togas] agree on what?
[UnOrthOdO] Our island has only two likely ways to break it up
[UnOrthOdO] North and south, either RP/ND or RP/GoW
[Togas] Or GoW/ND
[Arnelos] no... ND/GoW or ND/RP
[BigFree] I agree with Uno
[UnOrthOdO] ND/GoW?
[Arnelos] RP/GoW would be the height of stupidity... it leaves you
wide open to a backstab
[UnOrthOdO] What and split the GoW empire?
[UnOrthOdO] leaving ND continuous?
[Togas] Ok, I'm lost .
[BigFree] let me talk
[UnOrthOdO] How would ND and GoW split the island?
[UnOrthOdO] ok, BigFree.
[Arnelos] oh....
[BigFree] not very well
[Arnelos] we thought you mean who was possible to fight whom
[BigFree] I agre with Uno about the split of our land mass
[BigFree] it makes more sense to split it RP/GoW than anything else
[UnOrthOdO] Yes it does
[Togas] but we're not talking about sense, we're talking about Civ.
[BigFree] hence a RP/GoW alliance shouod be in place
[BigFree] shh
[Togas]
[BigFree] lets get a pact worked out Uno
[Arnelos] we already have an RP/GoW alliance... it's just had some...
bumps
[BigFree] an RP/GoW alliance
[Togas] BF, I already sent a new draft to Panzer and MZ.
[BigFree] cool
[Togas] I'm just waiting to get it back.
[BigFree] lets get it done
[UnOrthOdO] The MPP or an alliance?
[Arnelos] ok... let's say ND attacks GoW... and we attack ND in
response... what about GS?
[BigFree] That alliance will solve our fears for both GoW and RP
[BigFree] both UnO
[Arnelos] same thing if ND attacks RP
[UnOrthOdO] MZ was supposed to sign the MPP
[BigFree]
[Arnelos] GS is the problem either way
[BigFree] it is
[BigFree] but we deal with it as it comes
[UnOrthOdO] I have a chat with GS tonight as well.
[UnOrthOdO] Im a busy man.
[Arnelos] GS is almost certainly building a stack of galleys off
their coast and just waiting around to see when the war starts
[BigFree] Uno, would you be willing to sign a MPP and an Alliance
against ND?
[Togas] Whichever is fine with me. Just send it to us.
[UnOrthOdO] Here's the thing. Technically I can't do it till the
poll clears.
[UnOrthOdO] I CAN take it and 'rush' it through.
[UnOrthOdO] I just need 4 votes, and I can get those.
[BigFree] nice
[UnOrthOdO] However, what we need to know.
[UnOrthOdO] We have been given evidence that you are building and
attacking us.
[BigFree] we are building, theres no doubt about it
[Togas] ???
[UnOrthOdO] When can you attack ND.
[Togas] who on Earth is dumb enough to think we're attacking you?
[BigFree] but we are building aganist an attack by ND
[UnOrthOdO] Our team does NOT like waiting around to see if we are
going to be attacked.
[UnOrthOdO] We are proactive, not reactive.
[Togas] nor do we like waiting around either.
[Arnelos] Unortho... as previously expressed, we would have to be the
dumbest players on the face of the earth to attack you... it leaves
us wide open to multiple backstabs... it's the height of idiocy
[BigFree] we are pretty sure ND is going to attack us
[UnOrthOdO] As would we you.
[Togas] they're clearing jungle near our cities
[UnOrthOdO] ?
[BigFree] we only slightly suspected that GoW would join them
[BigFree] but if you sign a MPP and an Alliance, then we have nothing
to fear
[UnOrthOdO] This leaves Iron as a problem of course.
[BigFree] we have two
[BigFree] one for you if you ally with us
[UnOrthOdO] ND can block galley lands.
[BigFree] I believe that Lego wil have a Harbor soo
[Arnelos] not to mention we have absolutely NOTHING to gain from
attack on GoW... any cities would be hopelessly corrupt and GoW
being on the other side of ND from us is a BENEFIT to us... it just
wouldn't make any sense. If you are scared of an RP attack, you're
just being uncontrollably paranoid
[UnOrthOdO] We feel the real attack is GS/ND and you are just in as
assistance.
[BigFree] ah
[UnOrthOdO] If it was going that way.
[BigFree] I assure it is not
[Togas] assistance? Maybe if they gave us Chiv...
[BigFree] GS gave us the same deal about our Luxes too
[Arnelos] ND is definately been making their fair share of belicose
moves toward us recently
[BigFree] they want no NAP tied to them
[BigFree] 12:4(1
[BigFree] we tried heavily, but they would not budge
[UnOrthOdO] ok.
[BigFree] so your assumption of a ND/GS connection seems valid
[UnOrthOdO] We agree, great.
[UnOrthOdO] Can I take something back with me?
[UnOrthOdO] How soon can you attack?
[BigFree] so it would be basically RP/GoW gainst ND/GS
[UnOrthOdO] Yes.
[BigFree] we willnot attack
[BigFree] we are waiting to be atacked
[UnOrthOdO] You will not attack ND?
[BigFree] we have built for defense
[UnOrthOdO] Then what good is an alliance?
[BigFree] wait, that is seperate
[BigFree] if you want to ally, then attack, then we can plan
[BigFree] no problems there
[UnOrthOdO] Thats what Im trying to do...
[Togas] let me put it this way: We have no PLANS to attack at this
time, but we would be happy to make plans.
[BigFree] we'd need Chiv to help out
[UnOrthOdO] If we violate, both ND and GS attack.
[BigFree] we can not plan without an alliance in place
[UnOrthOdO] We lose more free turns of Iron.
[BigFree] sure
[BigFree] like i said ealier though, lego has a aharbor soon, maybe
we can trade through it
[BigFree] do you have a Harbor?
[BigFree] or are you planning one?
[UnOrthOdO] We have some, yes.
[UnOrthOdO] lux trade with GS...
[UnOrthOdO] don't you read my stories?
[BigFree] cool
[Togas] ND would have to blockade one of our harbors to stop trade
[BigFree] then we can trade Iron to you
[Togas] our ships could travel around counter-clockwise durign a war
[Togas] ND's culture won't block our trade.
[BigFree] Lets make this a part of our alliance
[UnOrthOdO] Sure
[BigFree] we trade Iron to you you trade Chiv to us
[BigFree] plus we can give you one extra lux
[UnOrthOdO] I think we may want to attack sooner than that if at all
possible.
[BigFree] then lets ally now
[BigFree] we need that in place
[UnOrthOdO] As soon as we write it up I can get it signed.
[BigFree] that is what is holding this up
[BigFree] cool
[BigFree] one step before another
[BigFree] then we strike together
[Togas] what sort of timeframe are we looking at?
[BigFree] we both strike on same turn
[UnOrthOdO] ASAP as far as we're concerned.
[UnOrthOdO] Ansars are cheaper, the longer we wait...
[BigFree] ND has their turn, then GoW strikes, then RP strikes (thats
the turn order)
[BigFree] we have Cats that wont make it through the jungle
[BigFree] we were planning a defensive war
[BigFree] bu we have some units avaialbe
[UnOrthOdO] Enough for an offensive?
[BigFree] mosty just Pikes
[BigFree] a few MI's
[UnOrthOdO] We are fairly certain ND was NOT planning defense...
[Togas] we can adjust, not a problem.
[BigFree] agree Uno
[Togas] can we set up a meeting with your CoW and our General?
[BigFree] send us the alliance deal, signed, we sign it,then we plan
[UnOrthOdO] Is he here?
[UnOrthOdO]
[UnOrthOdO] Im a very busy man...
[BigFree] LOL
[UnOrthOdO] GF left, Aggie on vacation...Vice CALF to the rescue!
[Arnelos] lol
[Togas]
[Arnelos] dejon isn't online, unfortunately
[UnOrthOdO] And we thought we were being redundant...
[BigFree] 12:4)1
[BigFree] we can definately occupy ND down South for a bit, but GoW
has the right type of offensive unit that RP doesn't
[Togas] we'll arrange for a meeting in a few days.
[UnOrthOdO] Will you guys send me a proposal?
[UnOrthOdO] Soon?
[BigFree] sure
[BigFree] today
[UnOrthOdO] We will be sitting on the save.
[BigFree] good
[Togas] hold on, we cannot attack this turn.
[UnOrthOdO] Next?
[UnOrthOdO] I still want it befreo we play
[BigFree] possibly
[Togas] you guys don't have to sit on it. Let me consult with my
experts to give you a "best case" attack turn.
[UnOrthOdO] before
[BigFree] Togas, I think Uno has a point
[Togas] ?
[UnOrthOdO] Yes, get us a proposal with this best case, we'll sit on
the save and then crush some enemies.
[BigFree] I agree
[UnOrthOdO] on the best case...
[Togas] we can give you something tonight.
[BigFree]
[UnOrthOdO] Great.
[UnOrthOdO] Now to prepare for the GS chat...
[UnOrthOdO] got any dirt on NYE?
[BigFree] ViVa the Bob Alliance of GoW/RP!!
[BigFree] only that they denied our request for a NAP
[UnOrthOdO] yes.
[BigFree] 12:4(1
[BigFree] so you can use that
[UnOrthOdO] ok...one sec. kids.
[UnOrthOdO] back.
[UnOrthOdO] Alright.
[UnOrthOdO] We'll have a plan tonight?
[BigFree] yes, for an Allioance against ND and or GS and a MPP
[UnOrthOdO] Mpp from whom? Lego?
[UnOrthOdO]
[BigFree] yes
[UnOrthOdO] we're crushing the rest.
[Togas] tonight we will send you an estimate on how soon we can
feasibly attack ND.
[UnOrthOdO] like Lego would commit units...
[UnOrthOdO] that's fine.
[Togas] you need to get the alliance drafted and sent to us
[UnOrthOdO] Ok.
[BigFree] and also ou alliance would incluse a protection pact
against any teams that attack GoW or RP
[Togas] it would also include iron
[UnOrthOdO] With any luck we would have our own soon...
[BigFree] hehe
[UnOrthOdO] Togas, your the lawyer, can't you draft.
[BigFree] UnO: one question?
[UnOrthOdO] I hate that crap...
[UnOrthOdO] shoot.
[UnOrthOdO] yes?
[BigFree] Did you or did younot have any sort of planned or supposed
plan to attack RP with ND, even if it was going to include a
back-stab of ND?
[BigFree] and not really attak RP
[UnOrthOdO] There was talk in the forum.
* Arnelos notes that this was his theory
[Arnelos]
[BigFree] was there talk between ND and GooW of such things?
[UnOrthOdO] Yes, they proposed it a while back.
[BigFree] ok
[BigFree] just wantted to be sure
[BigFree] what did you tel them?
[UnOrthOdO] We couldn't agree to the island split because it makes no
sense.
[Togas] that was our cheif theory -- GoW naval drop, ND invasion...
[UnOrthOdO] NAVAL DROP!
[UnOrthOdO] LOL
[BigFree] lol
[BigFree] I agree Uno
[UnOrthOdO] our 4 galleys would bring your doom!!!!
[Togas]
[BigFree] I think the only thing that would have happened is that ND
would have attacked and GoW would have back stabbed them
[UnOrthOdO] since one is WAAAAYYY over in lego right now...
[Togas] no doom, just a show for ND.
[Arnelos] the GoW backstab of ND was what I argued... it makes no
sense what-so-ever for RP to attack GoW or GoW to attack RP unless
a backstab of ND is somewhere involved
[BigFree] exactly
* Togas nods.
[BigFree] but we never did plan with ND
[BigFree] they never aproached us
[Arnelos] ND doesn't really talk to us
[Arnelos] ever
[BigFree] we have been happy being peaceful till now
[UnOrthOdO] Talks JUST broke down actually...
[UnOrthOdO] should we continue that plan?
[BigFree] really, why?
[UnOrthOdO] the map thing.
[Togas] ?
[UnOrthOdO] we couldd agree to their proposal...
[UnOrthOdO] backstab...
[Arnelos] we'd really prefer not
[BigFree] lol
[Arnelos] it would be better for us to both attack them before they
get the chance to attack either of us
[BigFree] agreed
[Arnelos] because I'd rather that battles were being fought in ND
territory than near Imperial City or Madrid
[Togas] Ansars in Cow Valley. Yay.
[UnOrthOdO] It would put riders on both sides of them. . . .
[UnOrthOdO] pillage city.
[UnOrthOdO] 3 turn pillage pillage pillage!
[BigFree] NICE!

[UnOrthOdOx]

[BigFree] so,relations between GoW and ND are not good now? Do they
suspect an attack?
[UnOrthOdO] We are still 'debating' the map
[BigFree] well, maybe they suspect us, but do they now expect GoW?
[BigFree] what map?
[BigFree] I dont get it
[UnOrthOdO] how to split the map.
[BigFree] ah, you means split the landmass
[UnOrthOdO] yes.
[UnOrthOdO] sorry.
[BigFree] ok
[UnOrthOdO] Bob.
* Togas pulls out his map...
[BigFree] i was liek WTF does a mp have to do with it
[BigFree] 12:4)1
[BigFree] Our first target would have to be Marlowa
[BigFree] whats your?
[UnOrthOdO] I don't have it loaded up right now.
[BigFree] thats ok
[UnOrthOdO] We were planning a two pronged assault if we backstabbed.
[BigFree] but Iron will be you first target no doubt
[UnOrthOdO] NO!!!!
[UnOrthOdO]
[UnOrthOdO] I suspect that is heavily defended.
[BigFree] LOL
[Togas] we can give you iron, anyhow.
[UnOrthOdO] Right.
[BigFree] maybe if you can pillage it, we can send in some pikes to
pillage theirs
[UnOrthOdO] and we have talked to Lego
[BigFree] their other Iron that is
[BigFree] cool
[UnOrthOdO] We could do that with pikes.
[BigFree] GoW has back ups
[UnOrthOdO] not as many as we used to.
[UnOrthOdO] Vox...
[BigFree] well, RP is your new back up
[BigFree] 12:4)1
[UnOrthOdO] Shall I continue to deceive ND then?
[Arnelos] I don't see how it matters one way or the other
[BigFree] if you think you need to
[Togas] in what way?
[BigFree] maybe an attack on this turn, if we et alliance signed,
would be best.
[Togas] this turn?
[UnOrthOdO] Let me load up the map.
[Togas] Right now I'm looking for a natural line that makes sense...
[BigFree] to dived up Bob with
[Togas] there's a mountain range North of Mavdad and Trippolis that
runs to Neu Theb and then SW of it.
[BigFree] *divide
[UnOrthOdO] Lets just say devide it up by number of tiles.
[UnOrthOdO] Then agree to share all resources.
[Arnelos] Unortho... personally, I'm more concerned about having a
natural barrier such as our current jungle
[Arnelos] the mountains north of that work... no idea what the number
of tiles are
[Arnelos] such as if we de-militarized the mountain range
[UnOrthOdO] Oh, you're fearing more backstabbing.
[UnOrthOdO] And I thought we were paranoid
[Togas] as a part of the conquest, GoW would be assured the eastern
gems and your own source of incense.
[Arnelos] Unorthodox... oldest rule in teh book: No alliance survives
victory
[BigFree] LOL
[Togas] we need to discourage any thoughts of future betrayal.
[BigFree] we can talk exact split later
[BigFree] I agree
[Arnelos] a demilitarized zone or at least a buffer zone would be
necessary
[UnOrthOdO] We can agree to that during the war.
[BigFree] there is more than enough room for us two on Bob
[Arnelos] agreed
[UnOrthOdO] Are you guys DIRECTLY AFTER US?
[Togas] we are
[Arnelos] yes
[UnOrthOdO] OOO fun war chats.
[BigFree] ND-GoW-RP
[Togas] I'm hoping to have MANY future war chats
[Togas] bring out the maps and charts
[BigFree] yes, me too
[Togas] plan moves, move stack of units
[Togas] push them around on the big board...
[Togas] exchange jpgs from our generals
[BigFree] HAHA
[BigFree] of naked women?
[Togas]
* BigFree hopes it wouldn't be naked men
[UnOrthOdO] You guys are pretty fortified.
[Arnelos] that's at least been our AIM
[Arnelos] unsure how good it's been
* Arnelos feels sad that his "Invasion of Spain" Simulator he was
working on will now have to changed to an "Invasion of ND" Simulator
[BigFree] haha
[BigFree] yes!
[Arnelos] dejon still gets to be the guinea pig, though
[BigFree] we can send some disrupting forces now though
[UnOrthOdO] We are working one too...just have our units right now...
[UnOrthOdO] of course.
[Togas] we need to switch a lot of builds to more offensive units.
[Arnelos] Unortho - mostly the same here
[BigFree] some pikes and MI to make them squeal
[Arnelos] I have all of Bob, all the seas of the rest of the world
(to model naval attacks by GS if we want to add that). I have all
production and estimated production and buildings for ND and GoW
cities...
[Arnelos] only thing missing is to turn teh clock forward and add
extra units to Spain for extra turns of production, give units to
ND and GoW and then get people to play the sim
[UnOrthOdO] I haven't really looked at ours yet.
[UnOrthOdO] MZ and Panzer were working it, just posted today.
[Arnelos] yeah... I got busy the last 2 days and haven't finished it
yet
[Arnelos] I sent Togas the template
* GhengisFarb has joined #GoW_CoFA
[GhengisFarb] son of a .........
[UnOrthOdO] What now, GF?
[Togas] ha ha!
[UnOrthOdO] Me or MZ?
[UnOrthOdO] Or have you seen the forum?
* Trip` is now known as Trip[busy]
[GhengisFarb] I had to look through EIGHT threads to find out what
the password was
[GhengisFarb] I'm getting really fed up with this disorganized crap
in the team forum.
[Arnelos] more resistant to spies that way, GhengisFarb
* GhengisFarb suddenly realizes Espaniards are here.......
[Arnelos] yeah... a bunch of just defected to GoW... no problem
[Arnelos] yeah WAR!!!
[GhengisFarb] Oh, I mean, the team forum is WONDERFUL, that's what I
meant to say
[Arnelos] kill! loot! pillage!
[UnOrthOdO] It was in the RIGHT THREAD!
[Arnelos] tell me all your secrets!
[UnOrthOdO] RP FA office...
[GhengisFarb] Yeah but how I had no idea what team you had in here
until I went to that team's thread and found the password.
[GhengisFarb] What happened to the "x"? Censors get a hold of you
UnOrthO?
[BigFree] anything else to discuss UnO?
[UnOrthOdO] I don't know
[UnOrthOdO] it's on my logon.
[UnOrthOdO] No, and I need to get going.
[BigFree] Uno
[BigFree] wait
[Arnelos] cya
[GhengisFarb] Did we get Rp to agree to a Chivalry deal?
[BigFree] Uno, we are having troubel finding somone to write the
draft up, I have to go to work and Togas has a play to go to
[UnOrthOdO] I have another MEETING!
[UnOrthOdO] And my kids.
[BigFree] 12:4(1
[BigFree] then late tonight then
[UnOrthOdO] must feed them VERY SOON!!!!
[BigFree] wait
[Togas] I'm asking Arnie ....
[GhengisFarb] So I take it we agreed to something, good.
[BigFree] maybe we can find someone else
[BigFree] a GoW/RP alliance
[BigFree] against ND and/or GS
[UnOrthOdO] Yep, they are writting a proposal tonight, we hold the
sav till then.
[BigFree] yep
[UnOrthOdO] GF, there is also a chat with GS tonight...
[UnOrthOdO] just so they can refuse more NAPs...
[GhengisFarb] I will be readily available, not that it matters any.
[BigFree] just like they did to us many times
[Arnelos] Unortho... when we DO go to war, do you want us to sign an
in-game alliance?
[UnOrthOdO] Perhaps.
[GhengisFarb] See ya UnOrtho
[BigFree] I think that woud be best
[UnOrthOdO] It will be obvious anyway.
[BigFree] in-game alliance is more insurance
* GhengisFarb has left #GoW_CoFA
[BigFree] for both teams
[UnOrthOdO] Why?
[BigFree] you have to decalre war
[Arnelos] not really... rep points don't mean jack, do they?
[BigFree] or brak the alliance
[UnOrthOdO] Rep IN GAME means nothing.
[BigFree] then the other teams can see that
[UnOrthOdO] oh.
[UnOrthOdO] ok.
[Arnelos] BigFree has a point... other teams will see the alliance
has been BROKEN
[UnOrthOdO] I gotta feed my one year old.
[BigFree] ok adios
[BigFree] thanks Uno
[UnOrthOdO] Arn, you drafting?
[Arnelos] cya
[Arnelos] I believe
[Arnelos] yes
[BigFree] you are great
[UnOrthOdO] ok, look forward to it.
[Arnelos] okie dokie
[UnOrthOdO] ****...
[UnOrthOdO] forgot logging.
[BigFree] I can send to you
[BigFree] give me eamil
* Logging #GoW_CoFA to 'logs\#RP chat.GRNet.log'
[UnOrthOdO] saving the buffer.
[BigFree] are you sirulias
[UnOrthOdO] AOL, yes.
[BigFree] cool
[BigFree] I have that one

[UnOrthOdOx]

Ok.

Im going to hell now.

[Master Zen]

This has got to be the biggest load of crap any team in civ history has fed to another!!!!

Man, we should be called The Glory of Diplomacy

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Ok.

Im going to hell now.

Clearly.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Master Zen
Man, we should be called The Glory of Diplomacy

Glory of Diplomacy?

Wouldn't that make us GoD?

[UnOrthOdOx]

I would REALLY like to get a GoW poker game together!

Damn...between GF, MZ, and me...you can bet there would be plenty of bluffs.

[Panzer32]

Wow. Things are definatly heating up now.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by Master Zen
This has got to be the biggest load of crap any team in civ history has fed to another!!!!

I smell sig material there...

[UnOrthOdOx]

Unorthodox,

I need to stress that my general has not confirmed this #. His opinion is that we need more time to build up the stack necessary for a proper invasion. And it is over his protests that I send you this very rough estimate.

If our lives depended on it, we could have an attack force ready in 5 turns.

Now, if we really wanted to crush ND, it's going to take longer to get the #s we need. Fighting a fortified *3* defender with only 4 attack units is painful and costly in numbers.

Attacking in 5 turns will give us a half-assed attack force that might level 1 city. Waiting twice that long would give us more of what is required for a successful campaign.

Please let us know what makes the matter so urgent, and let us know when you believe the ideal time for an attack will be.

--Togas

God bless Rp.....

They are taking their time to write up the proposition.
makes delaying so much easier.

Well,

Certainly.

The timeframe is urgent due to one simple fact. Ansars are cheaper than Riders. And, while creative pillaging initially allowed us to create more horses than anyone thinks we could upgrade, we are now out of money and are producing the more expensive Riders. Hiding our strength a bit by not upgrading yet.

We likely have a number advantage now, that will dissolve the longer we wait and into the GA.

I admit that we have not handled this whole thing with you properly up to now, and you are not prepared for an offensive.

As I was saying, our backstab plan calls for a two front assault just from us. Two sizeable fronts. I can't give specifics until an agreement is signed, of course.

However, you are prepared for defense, perhaps simply declaring war with us and building up while we are the initial attack would work fine. If you are right and ND is focused south, it would take them a few turns to move north, or split forces sooner, perhaps making your road easier in the process.

UnOrthOdOx

[Panzer32]

From Togas:

(the following is too long for PMs, so it has been sent via email)

Our old Mutual Defense Pact ends after turn 128. Please sign this one and it'll
take the place of the old one. It has just been confirmed in our House of Lords.


Spanish - Glory of War Defense Pact

Statement of Purpose
This is an alliance between the nations of Spain and the Glory of War. It is a
general mutual-defence agreement, a non-aggression pact, a non-settlement
agreement, and a full military alliance upon the event of either party going to
war.

Article I
Definition of established territory

The territory of Spain is defined as all land inside Spain's cultural borders and
all lands on the continent named Bob south of the Spanish city of Toledo.

The territory of the Glory of War is defined as all land inside China's cultural
borders, all lands on the continent named Bob north of the Glory of War city of
Tatung, and all lands on the island which has the cities of Camulodunum and
Zenophobia.


Article II
Redefinition of the territory

Either party may propose to redefine their national territory and the change
shall be effective upon the agreement of the other party.

The definition of the territory of both parties may be changed if:

New territories will be found, under the condition that these new territories are
fully explored and unsettled by any other nation;

New settlements, that are outside of the land defined in Article I, are founded;

New territory, that is outside of the land defined in Article I, is accuired in
any way;

Territory, that is part of the land defined in Article I, is lost in any way.


Article III
Causes that activate the mutual-defense pact

If another nation settles on the land that is defined in Article I, while the
party that claims this land has informed an official of the offending nation that
they claim those lands, both the offended party and the other party in the treaty
will declare war on the settling nation if the party that claims these lands
requests this.

If another nation moves military forces into the land that is defined in Article
I, while the party that claims this land has informed an official of the
offending nation that they claim those lands, both the offended party and the
other party in the treaty will declare war on the offending nation if the party
that claims these lands requests this.

If another nation attacks any units or cities belonging to a party to this treaty
or pillages any improvements within the territory of a party to this treaty, the
offended party and the other party to this treaty will declare war on the
offending party if the offended party requests this.


Article IV
Non-settlement & Non-agression ageement

Neither party shall settle in the territoriy that the other party has claimed to
be his as stated in Article I or II. Neither party shall enter the claimed
territory of the other party without prior approval. Also neither party shall
declare war on the other, attack the units of the other, or enter the cultural
borders of the other without express permission.

Neither party shall commit espionage against the other.


Article V
Full Military Alliance

Upon the invocation of Article III, this Article shall be called into action and
war shall be declared on an enemy by both parties. This article may also be
called into action upon the agreement of both parties on a common enemy.

Once war has begun and until it ends by mutual agreement, both parties are
obligated to provide the positions of all military forces in the territory of the
enemy, the theatre of war, or on route to the enemy to the other party in order
to improve military coordination between the parties.

Once war with the enemy has begun and until it ends by mutual agreement, both
parties are responsible to keep each other informed of where their military
forces will be heading in the coming turns and specifically what cities or other
strongholds of the enemy they will be assaulting.

Once war has begun and until it ends by mutual agreement, both parties shall
share their world maps with one another.


Article V
Duration of the Treaty

The Treaty shall have a lenth of 40 turns, starting in the turn in which it has
been signed by both parties.

The Treaty may be extended for any amount of turns upon the agreement of both
parties.

Article VI
Settlement of any war

In the case of any war where the alliance has been activated and both parties are
at war with another nation, the parties shall jointly agree to any terms for
ending the war and no separate peace treaties shall be made between a party and
the enemy.

Any and all additions to the official territory of either power as defined in
Article I can be temporarily agreed to before the end of a war, but may be
altered at the end of the war when a final agreement of permanent borders, as
defined in Article I, will be negotiated by both parties as part of the joint
peace agreement.

Signed, Togas, King of the Republic of Spain.

Signed,

Of course, we cannot accept this; lets delay.

I'm sorry Togas but I think a 2 day 'poll' is in order here

[UnOrthOdOx]

espescially since I haven't 'won' the um 'no confidence' poll yet.

Unorthdox,

Thank you for your message. I have relayed it to my team. We will continue our buildup and preparations, of course, as quickly as possible. Any information you can give us on the timeframe will help us prepare. I'm not sure when you plan to attack ND but I would strongly reccommend waiting 3 turns so that our colony can be established and we can arrange for a backup source of iron should you need it.

We will be free to chat at any time with an hour or two's notice.

--Togas

I think we can agree to wait 3 turns before attacking ND


got a message to check with MZ and panzer for the treaty too. nothing worth posting.