Contact with Lux Invicta!

[Panzer32]

I went into chat, and Trip approached me...

He talked about an alliance, I led him on... not saying anything like no or yes, but commenting on how we might be able to help them:
-have our workers make a road to their cities (this would also help us in our real intentions)
-get a horseman to disconnect ND's iron (of course this won't happen )

But I learned a few things:

ND has 4 swordsmen - 1 vet, 3 regs.
Lux can have 3 swordsmen in 6 turns, or a couple horsemen
Lux's only barracks is in the city right next to horses
Lux has a worker near our boarder
Lux is not currently connected to iron - they need their only worker to make a colony.
Lux had planned to attack in 10 more turns - they are ill prepared!
Trip: "We didn't expect an attack so fast"

[Donegeal]

Hmmmm.... I say let me talk to trip. In the public forums I have said nothing but negative things about ND, but that is mainly because ND wasn't 'poly. And I am sure that Trips entire team knows me to be a little hot-headed. I could tell him how "I want to smack ND off the face of Bob! How I am trying to convince my team to do a three-way to totally Apolyton ND. I'm sure I can make my rants very believable....

[Hot_Enamel]

Gosh, I have let it slip so many times that we are attacking ND that I am certain the message has gotten through to Lux already that we are their friends

Our communications should not change...if we regulary rant about ND's death, then we should continue to do so.
If we have never mentioned it before...then dont start doing it now as they will become suspicious.

We are so close now...we dont want to blow it.

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by Panzer32

They don't expect a thing...

The terms are that if Lux does the smart thing and surrenders to us, we will allow them into our team!

This brings up an interesting point: what happens to 'dead' team's members? Do they join whichever other team they want? Do you think that no Luxian would want to join us because we wiped them out?

Wow... had not thought of that.

We can come out of this very well.

If ND does a quick kill, Lux may know they are over and done with.
If we have entered the war, will they really want to "surrender" and join our team. Humans react very differently...I know I would rather fight to the death and disband my capital rather than letting an attacking team take it.
If we havent entered the war yet...maybe Lux we see us as their savior.
We could offer them a merge into our team.
1. they gift their cities to us.
2. they leave their warriors undefended. We can use them for a vet->elite->leader hunt.
3. They leave their capital undefended. We take the city.
4. Their members are welcomed into our team.

The problems with this is ....
We are in a military alliance pact with ND, If we dont attack, we could be seen as in breach of this pact.
We could expect a nasty reaction from ND, if they find out whats happened. They will see Lux as their enemy, and with so many Lux members in our team, they may go looking for some reason to attack us.

I still think this is up for some serious consideration.
If Lux is down to its last two cities...I think we should make the surrender offer.

Their members will have to make some sort of pledge before being accepted in our team.
They will be pissed to find out we have been plotting against them for weeks.

Regs

[Hot_Enamel]

GF - I think we should send an urgent PM to Lux.

Tell them we will buy their worker for 10 gold.
It has to stand still and let us take it.

We will use the worker for no less than 25 turns.

After which, if Lux is still alive, they can purchase it back for 10 gold.
To request the worker back, they must give us a 8 turn warning. This will allow us to stop its actions and return it to our capital. If we cannot meet the 8 turn deadline, the price to purchase back the warrior will reduce by 1gpt.

We might get a slave for 10g if lux gets wiped out.
Or we might get free use of a slave for 25 rounds.

A good deal for for us and Lux.

Regs

[Panzer32]

If no one is opposed, I'll send off a PM in about 6 hours. If anyone wants to do it before then, go ahead, so long as you post that you have done it in this thread.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Was just chatting with BFM and he is proposing the following deal to his team:

They let us capture the worker.

We make peace in 5 turns and sell Mapmaking to them for 40 gold, and they will have the option of buying the Worker back later at an agreed upon price.

[Panzer32]

From BFM:

Worker Proposal
Hello GhengisFarb and Panzer,

In the recent chat I had with Ghengis, we talked about our worker near our former capital. He feels alone, and wants to get home. We feel he needs your help :-)

Ghengis proposed the following:

GoW captures the worker, and...

either
1) ...get to use it for X turns - then GoW moves it to their capital and turns it over to Lux. An amount of gold may be 'loaned' to Lux in this period for safety.

2) ...gives Lux Y gold as compensation.

3) ...gives Lux GoW's World Map.

4) ...offers Lux MapMaking for 40 gold.


I have taken this to our people. We agree that it would be a waste if our worker would get disbanded or destroyed by ND or Barbarians. So we propose we do option 4, as described above.

I hereby ask you to agree on this official proposal:

"Glory of War is entitled to capture the Worker left by Lux Invicta. In return, Glory of War will offer Peace and MapMaking to Lux Invicta. Lux will then offer Peace and pay an amount of 40 gold to Glory of War.

This deal is non-negotiable and will be completed at the earliest opportunity.

This means that Glory of War will have acquired MapMaking, and Lux will have acquired all necessary techs needed for MapMaking."



Also, we are debating the offer you made: Construction for our Free Medieval Tech (probably Monotheism). I will get back to you on that one.

BFM

I suggest that we take this deal... get some use out of Lux. It is interesting that they want map making, however, because that would let them come across the straight (if theyre with Vox) and settle in their old area. We should probably warn ND and get both of us to settle in old Lux ASAP

[Hot_Enamel]

So the deal is..

We give MapMaking
Lux gives 1 worker, and 40 gold.

I wish we could include a no-tech whore clause.
Again... if they have bought a city from Vox or GS, then we can assume that MM will go straight to their partner as well.

[Donegeal]

I say no. We are at war. We have two move horsemen that can sneak up on the worker beyond its range of view and forcable take it with out Lux even knowing we did it.

[Hot_Enamel]

I am for it.
They have been very successful in evasion and have denied ND everything.
They will stick the worker on a mountain and disband it before anything gets even close.
If we dont agree, they could just disband it on the next round.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I am for it, ND seems to want peace now that Lux is off the continent and we have 3 turns to negotiate a trade with each of the other civs for Mapmaking thus disallowing Lux any chance to profit from it my already having trades locked in and trading to each of the other civs on the same turn.

We get 40 gold from Lux and a worker, which is pretty much everything Lux has I would guess. They would have gotten Mapmaking from someone else anyway and there is no Non-Agression treaty that says we can't declare war on them later if they piss us off. Right now securing our continent seems more strategically important than locating on another contested contient.

[Hot_Enamel]

Then they have sold their soul to Vox or GS.

We must get an agreement from both of those teams and sell MM ASAP. Otherwise Lux will just gift it to their new owners.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
Then they have sold their soul to Vox or GS.

We must get an agreement from both of those teams and sell MM ASAP. Otherwise Lux will just gift it to their new owners.

We appear to have a deal with GS, I'm not sure where Panzer is with Vox.

[Hot_Enamel]

Yes... GS is a go...it should be available to us on this round.